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Plug-In Prius: real winter driving

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by john1701a, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Yes.

    It was a very "cool" drive. :cool:

    Note that I did briefly fire up the heater at 65 while the engine was warming up. But then shut it off as soon it reached tolerance. Hopefully, that was mostly just waste heat I was taking advantage of. Following that, you can see it slip into EV repeatedly while driving in HV.
     
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    Yup, that's a smart/hybrid way to use it.

    Since your commute is 17.2 miles, say EV can cover about 11 miles, you can use gas for 6.2 miles and get the waste heat from ICE to warm up the cabin. For the rest of the miles, electric heated seats would do just fine.
     
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    Drake! Thanks for the cold update!:) Here I was feeling bad today, took my daughter to work 13.2 miles, -8 below, 6.5 miles EV left 82MPG. :) You make me feel warm.:ROFLMAO:
     
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    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

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    John your an animal! :eek: (y)
     
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    i can't compete with you midwesteners, but i had a nice drive this morning. (to the dentist unfortunately) left my 36 degree garage and 14 degrees outside. not quite a full charge, 12 out of 12.4 and because i knew the trip was too far for ev i turned the heat to 75. ice came on and as i felt heat start to come out, i slowly turned it down to 65 as i got comfortable. whe i reached my destination, i had used 7.1 of my ev miles over a total trip of 12.4 and was at 81 mpg. i left the heat on 65 and made a stop at the depot on the way home and when i got home, it was 19 degrees out. i had used up my ev miles and my mpg for the whole 29 mile trip was 72.
     
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  6. john1701a

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    It's been awhile. I still have some videos to edit & share from when it was really, really cold. But I did manage to finish this one from just the other day done...



    9°F outside this morning meant an opportunity to try out single-camera filming again. The sun was rising quickly; that meant I'd be pushing exposure limits with the contrast between dashboard scenery. I really wanted another example showing what happens while you "Just Drive It". The battery had finished recharging 6 hours earlier. The engine hadn’t been used for about 10 hours. The garage temperature was around freezing. I pulled out, adjusted the camera, hit record, then drove away. After traveling about a block, I turned on the heater. It was set to 70°F with the blower on 2 bars.

    The request for heat caused the engine to start. Still being in EV mode (the default), I was looked forward to it shutting back off as soon as the warm-up cycle completed. That happens when the coolant reaches at least 145°F and there isn't demand for high power. The engine will then remain off until the coolant drops to 136°F. Note that lower the heater temperature also lowers the coolant threshold.

    As I drove, the engine starts up, runs shortly, then automatically shuts back off. That's why I call that a "heater dance". That same cycle repeats over and over again, until the battery is finally deplete of EV capacity. Following that, the same things happens in HV mode but with less electric-only power. The purpose of the plug is to boost MPG. So even when the engine runs, the system is still taking advantage of plug-supplied electricity. EV driving is not necessary for great efficiency. This video clearly demonstrates that.

    17.9 miles was the total distance traveled. 85 MPG was the result, with 1.3 miles of EV capacity still remaining.
     
  7. Jonas Studebaker

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    Simply amazing. Especially in the cold. When I leave the driveway my EV reads somewhere between 9.1 and 10.2. Three miles later (at 25 mph) I'm getting onto the freeway and the EV is down to about 5. It's still a mystery to me how people can get more than 50 MPG..
     
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    they don't live in maine.:cool:
     
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    Drove to work today on a full charge. Not bad, I think. 111 MPG for over 11 miles. But the ride home was not as good. Standard/below standard, 55 and 43 MPG even with the 2.5 EV left over for the ride over to daycare. Lots of traffic and frustration. Love the car. I just don't understand the on/off with the EV, it's really hard to track.
     

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    If you can stand it, turn a/c off.
     
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    Don't feel bad, the vast majority of people either don't wish to, or simply find it inconvenient to do that level of tracking.
    We all benefit from the people that do though, many thanks John:)

    I did some very detailed tracking, not to John's standard though, early this winter. As the winter went on, I worried less and less about temps and HVAC settings, and such and just settled into driving.
    I still track energy use, miles per day, and all that good top level stuff, but I am not nearly as good tracking all the details.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughtful response. Interesting, I just got back from my regular trip to the gym (new year resolution). It was the first warm day in forever, and I managed 112 MPG on the way there, and 114 on the way back! I think I will really like Spring/Summer driving with the PIP. We're planning on lots of EV driving... (y)
     
  13. Jonas Studebaker

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    Hah. Very funny. In Maine we don't use AC.
     
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    have you tried your 11 mile commute in pure ev on the way and hv on the way home?
     
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    I wasn't being funny, I meant Push the OFF, right above AUTO.
     
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    Yes, thanks. I just went out to look at it. You mean the fan control switch. If it's really cold I might notch it up two or three bars, at most. The heater warms up PiP's little cabin quickly, then I leave it on the first bar at 72-76 degrees, or OFF entirely. (The seat heaters give me the creeps.) Remains to be seen how it works in summer...I haven't driven it yet in warm weather, but I've never been a fan of AC, so probably little variation.
     
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    if you shut the fan off when you don't need heat, but still leave the temp anywhere above low, the ice will burn gas unneccesarily to keep it ready to provide heat when you turn the fan on again.
     
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    I managed to capture one more drive with snow still on the ground...



    Just like the other suburb drives I've filmed, this one takes me to that distant coffeeshop. The run back & forth is a good basis for demonstrating what happens as the EV capacity is utilized, then what happens after it's gone... which is why I filmed that same route prior to getting the plug-in model. You can clearly see the benefit.

    This footage featuring that rare lighting circumstance when a single camera can be used. Too early or too late, there will be over & under exposure. The refresh of the screen will become an annoying flicker as well. In this case, I took advantage of the sun setting with the horizon obscured by clouds. It provided a nice balance between dashboard and scenery, as well as show a nice pink in the final moments before the sun disappeared.

    As for the drive itself, shown at 5X normal speed, you can see me pull out into traffic driving in just EV. But with a route longer the total capacity available, I fired up the engine right away. That resulted in a boosted MPG until warm-up is complete, then the engine shuts off. Watch the estimated EV distance value. I suddenly drops from 9.6 to 8.5 when I turn on the heater to blow air on the windshield to keep it clear for the filming. Capacity itself is unchanged. That's simply how you are informed of the potential EV loss the heater could cause.

    Driving was uneventful, the usual stoplights & stopsigns you'd encounter driving through the suburbs. When accelerating hard, the engine will come on to help provide power. Watching the MPG, you can see that doesn't actually lower MPG much and it shuts off relatively quick afterward. In the summer, it shuts off even faster. But at 28°F outside, it runs longer.

    Halfway through my drive back, you can see me approach a long hill. Climbing that with only 1.8 miles of EV remaining wouldn't be the best use for that electricity. So, I switched over to HV mode by pushing the button for that on the dashboard. When at the top, I pushed it again to switch back to EV mode. That feature comes in handy when you want to preserve electricity for use later.

    At the conclusion of the drive, the overall result was 135 MPG for the 15.7 mile round-trip. The entire EV capacity was consumed; that's roughly 3 kWh of electricity including charging losses.

    That was a great drive for winter, but I sure miss summer. In warmer temperatures, resistance with the battery itself is lower. That more efficient transfer of electricity allows you to drive further EV from each recharge. So whether you use gas or electricity, cold weather reduces efficiency.
     
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    Yes but that heat comes from running the gas engine. If you want better mileage, you have to stop using it and use the seat heaters instead. There's simply no other way.
     
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    Is the Plug-in MPG display MPG or MPGe?

    (Based on the EPA ratings pure gasoline mpg a PiP would be expected to average 87.4mpg for a 17.9 mile tripwith 1.3 EV miles left. So, 85mpg only with strategic driving isn't bad for winter.)