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want to disable automatic switching between recirc and outside air mode

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by asthmatic, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. asthmatic

    asthmatic Junior Member

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    No, that does not work, and I have confirmed with Toyota that my Prius exhibits normal behavior with regard to this issue. And I can't watch the console every other second checking to see if it has switched to fresh air.
     
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    You do know that in recirc, some fresh air is introduced into the system, just much less.
     
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    Yes, whatever small amount of outside air is introduced does not trigger an asthma attack for me when I'm behind another vehicle.
     
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    I'm glad it works for you, however it sounds like from all the other threads that you will manually have to adjust the air mixture, wish I had a better solution..
     
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    Perhaps I am lucky, and was able to do so via TS lite. I went the other way however, wanting to disable automatic Recirc. The only time it changes is if I do so manually, or activate the clean air feature (nothing but a timed Recirc, I believe)

    It's been some time since I switched it, so I don't recall where the option is found.

    EVO ? 2
     
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    peterjmc Ping pong in Ding Dang...

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    So am I reading right that you're able to change the automatic recirc via TS lite?
     
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    peterjmc Ping pong in Ding Dang...

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    I found it! It's a customization setting in TS. I'm going to my dealer to have this changed! But it reads as though this only works if A/C is activated.

    Last Modified: 10-19-2012
    Model Year: 2010
    Title: INTRODUCTION: REPAIR INSTRUCTION: CUSTOMIZE PARAMETERS (2010 Prius)
    Model: Prius
    From: 200904
    Doc ID: RM000000UZ0055X


    ... Excerpt...
    DISPLAY (ITEM)- Air Inlet Mode
    DEFAULT - Automatic
    CONTENT - Function to shift from INLET mode to RECIRCULATION
    mode when the A/C is turned on.
    SETTING- Manual orAutomatic
     
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    I believe we have a winner! :-D
     
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    Wow, thank you, peterjmc and h00ktern! :)

    Would this work on a 2012 Prius too?

    Sorry for my newbie question, but what is TS lite?

    also, Toyota calls the climate control system the air-conditioning, so hopefully this works when the heat is on too.
     
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    I'm not planning on off-roading with my Prius and submerging my tailpipe in mud, so I think I'll be fine :)
     
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    TS lite = Techstream lite -> the official diagnostic software & Mongoose cable.

    Your dealer has it :-D
     
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    Hate to rain on your parade, Asthmatic, but it seems that Toyota made a change to the A/C system software beginning 2012 (US) model year.
    Service information now states that the Air Inlet Mode customization is only available for Korea and Mexico markets. See the attached file for details.
    It may be worth having a tech connect a Techstream to your Prius and verify whether or not the Air Inlet Mode can be customized.
     

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    The normal recirculate mode allows in about 10% fresh air to prevent that.
     
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    Oh. :( Since this customization is available in Mexico markets, I can't imagine it would be too difficult for Toyota to implement this for me, as inhaling vehicle exhaust is a health hazard for me... What do you think? Do you know the correct people to contact at Toyota regarding this matter? I've had an extremely frustrating time dealing with Toyota corporate customer service who claim that Toyota cannot disable the automatic switching between recirc and outside air mode, as if it's a technical impossibility. Before I knew anything about Techstream customizations, I told Toyota CS that this is only a matter of editing a computer program, and they just kept repeating, "Toyota can't change this design feature."

    Thanks for your help, PriusInParadise.
     
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    Plan B might be to dig into how the system physically changes from recirculate to outside air and disable that valve/shutter actuator.
     
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    I agree with xs650.

    asthmatic, you may want to just unplug the actuator which physically redirects the air so it remains in recirc all the time. This is not ideal, but would be the best bet for you.
     
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    Have you thought about just wearing a respirator while in the car? You may want to try something rated N95 and see if it helps. Now since your issue could be scent related, you might need an R95 rated mask as it's rated for oil based pollution. As far as a brand choice, with 3M you're more likely to get what you paid for. The masks are typically rated for around 8 hours of use so one could last you awhile depending on how much you drive.
     
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    I hate to tell you this but from someone who deals with this type of thing (software programming), it is not as simple as editing a computer program. There is a lot of overhead involved and probably more so than what I have to deal with. That one simple change could cost Toyota easily $50-200k. Now did you offer to pay Toyota any money for the new micro code? One person complaining about an issue does not make financial sense. Therefore it "can't be done". Just to give you an idea of the work, most places that have oversight on code are required to have a type of "Software Requirements Document" that would need to change. Then they are also required to write a "Software Test Plan" and also sometimes a "Software Test Procedure". Each of these documents must link back to the SRD. Then they are required to have a "Software Design Description" which tell what the code did and how it works - that will need to be modified. And that is just the front-end paperwork before they can even write one line of code. Then you have to make the change to the code and test that it actually does what you want. <- That is your "matter of editing a computer program". Next you have to perform the Software Test Procedure. This not only has to test the change you made but also make sure you did not screw up anything else that the software does. This literally can be as simple as a day of testing or several weeks. Then there is the possibility of government oversight. They may have to submit all paperwork and test results to an auditor. The auditor can then choose to accept the results as stated in the package or they may wish to witness the testing first hand. If that is the case, you have to start the testing process all over again (read more time and money). Finally the auditor signs off on the change and they can burn your one micro or send the software to the dealer to download - if that is even possible, not all microprocessors are able to be reprogrammed in the field.

    The process is not as simple as editing a few lines of code when you understand the process that takes place. Believe me, we do everything in our power not to have to change code if at all possible.
     
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    Given that the fix I'm requesting was possible in the 2010 Prius and is possible on 2012 Priuses in Mexico, I am highly skeptical that fixing this requires significant resources on Toyota's part.