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Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by IEAS, May 6, 2013.

  1. IEAS

    IEAS Junior Member

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    From reading here it seems that public charging seems fairly widely available with yourselves across the pond. In my part of the UK its just starting. I have registered with the company but I have to purchase another cable to access their charging points.

    I need a J1772 to 62196 cable (Menekes Type 2 Mode 3). Looking on a few websites this is approx £200. I contacted my dealer who quoted £500. Also said that if I used a non Toyota approved cable it would invalidate my battery warranty. At that price it really isn't economically viable but it would be nice to avail of free electrons :(.

    I suppose I was wondering if you need the same type of cable in the US and if so are you using a non-approved or an approved one. Thanks.
     
  2. mrbigh

    mrbigh Prius Absolutum Dominium

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    I do not think that Toyota has to approve anything, while the Menekes to is J-1772 adapter is in compliance with the J-1772 SAE standard and connections, it's more than sufficient.
    I think your dealer is trying to scare you with some gimmick.;)
     
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    the public charging stations here have the cable already connected. i have not heard nor read about the neccesity of using toyota cable, that is the purpose of the universal application. all the best!(y)
     
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    That's what I wondered. Can't imagine they are all Toyota approved ;). Think my dealer is trying to secure a sale.
     
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    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000, Tesla M3 2018

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    Some of the ChargePoint public charging stations in the US have both L1 (110v) and L2 (220v) charging. The L2 has its own cable and J1772 connector that you plug into your car. The L1 is located in a locked box that your access card unlocks and you plug in your standard Toyota supplied cable. After you plug in you close the box (there is a hole that your cable exits at the bottom) so no one can unplug you on the ChargePoint side.

    Mike
     
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    It is outrageous that one must buy another cable to connect to a public charge station in the UK. That will put a dent in sales of Pips and EVs. It is a stupid idea. Now one must carry 2 cables and perhaps a extension.
     
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    The charging screen on the dash will tell you the rate of charge and the length of time to charge. That will tell you if you're charging at 11oV or 220V.
     
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    TY. Length of time at home, for a full charge is around 2.5 to 3.5 hours, so at 220, it should be something ? Less. Max rate of charge, in the beginning, with Wattmeter is at 11.9 amps for a total of 3.2 KWHrs. Or something more than 1 KW per hour. Now the proBlem is: at the chargepoint station, I can't measure Volts, amps, watts. And it is not even posted with the Voltage plus the damn screen keeps moving making it more difficult to read. As for the Prius dash, which reading would indicate that I am charging at. 220V. ? TY.
     
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    When I charge at 110V, the screen says Charge Power: 1kw, at 220V it says Charge Power: 1.9kw.
    Also the charging time is usually double at 110V than the 220V time.
     
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    . Thankyou El Dobro, I will start monitoring that closer, especially 1 KW. VS. 1.9. KW.
     
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    Agreed. Doesn't make much sense to me. Its a government scheme and you would thought that they would want to have as many users as possible to justify the cost of installing the network.

    I can see pure EV drivers purchasing a cable due to range anxiety. In my case I am averaging 68.9 mpg using the ICE so given the present cost of petrol in would take me just short of 6 years to recoup the £500 cost of the cable. That is assuming that the electricity is free for all of that time. Just not economically viable at present.
     
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    It's Betamax vs VHS and Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD all over again. Each company has their own reason for why the standard they support is better. The market will sort itself out. Government need not step in. If you're lucky you can upgrade your 56k flex modem to the standard V.92. If not, you end up with expensive Rambus Rdram.

    L3 J1772 makes more sense to me instead of CHAdeMO or Tesla Superchargers. We'll see what the public decides.
     
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    The chargepoint web site and app give the current charge rate, a graph of the charge rate for the current session, and the total amount of charge for the current session, as well as historical usage reports.

    As to the Prius dash, if you are charging at 1.9KW or so, you are at 240V. The maximum at 120V is about half that.
     
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    Is it EU regulations or what that is leading to EV charger standard wars in the UK? Here in the US, essentially 100% of the 240V chargers are J1772. For fast charging, there is CHAdeMO or Tesla Supercharger. All of the plug-in car models sold here other than the Tesla use J1772, and the Tesla comes with a J1772 adapter which plugs into their proprietary socket on the car and presents a J1772 socket on the other side.
     
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    What it is being known as a "T" to J1772 dongle
     
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    Mennekes connector (IEC 62196) is the standard connector for public charging points in Europe.
     
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    So Toyota sells the Prius Plug-in with a J1772 connector in countries where there is another standard? And doesn't just provide an adapter with the car, like Tesla does in the US? With the Mennekes connector, does the car owner provide their own cable which plugs into the charging station, as opposed to the charging station having a cable which plugs into the car, as is done in North America? :confused:
     
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    Yip. The public charging points have a Mennekes connector. They don't have a cable which plugs into the car. Toyota don't provide a compatible cable and I have to purchase a J1772 to Mennekes cable to avail of them. Cost which is equivalent to $800 :(
     
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    Does the EVSE that Toyota provides have the appropriate national plug on it, or does one have to buy that too?
     
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    No they give you that one thankfully ;) At least its 240V.