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Battery capacity indicater question

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Wendel, Jan 22, 2006.

  1. Wendel

    Wendel New Member

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    My Prius is one week old.
    In the Prius owners manual on page 167 it describes the Energy monitor screen showing the Consumption information. In the manual it shows the energy bars with auto icons filling up the bars.
    When I am driving my Prius I only get an occasional auto or protion of an auto in every second or third bar.

    Is this normal?
    What do the auto icons indicate?
    Is there something wrong with my auto?

    Thank You for any information you can provide.
     
  2. DocVijay

    DocVijay Active Member

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    If you are talking about the little green cars, then yes, they may only be sporadic. It represents the energy recaptured by the regenerative braking. You won't get them all the time. On the interstate you won't get many if any at all. In the city you should get a few more, but it does require braking to get them, so the more you do the more icons you see. If your city driving is realtively congestion free, you may still see very few.
     
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    The little leaf car icons indicate how much energy has been recovered (and sent to the battery) during deceleration thanks to the regenerative braking.

    If you get them, it's kind of good because it's showing you've recovered energy that a normal car would have lost by normal braking, but it's also kind of bad, because ideally you'd never brake, and keep up your momentum.

    That particular picture in the manual is rather far-fetched, and clearly fake. Unless you're driving in a really hilly area, you'd be unlikely to ever see 3 leaf cars per 5-minute bar, and on flat terrain, probably never more than 1 or 2. On freeways, you'd normally see none.

    The leaf cars don't include the normal battery charging that happens while driving, so they don't directly tell you much about the state of the battery - that's shown on the separate "Energy" screen. One leaf car is roughly equal to 3/4 of a bar on that screen (although it's not clear cut, as the bars there aren't totally linear).

    Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with your car.
     
  4. hobbit

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    The *fewer* regen-cars you see, the better you're doing overall.
    I have no idea why Toyota set it up like this little video game
    that encourages people to try stackin' the things up. But really,
    if you're capturing a lot of energy via regen braking then because
    of various conversion inefficiencies you've actually got that much
    *less* to feed back out to the wheels. It would have been better
    to let speed bleed away naturally, as it would whether you had regen
    braking or not ... but since terrain and surrounding traffic don't
    allow for that most of the time, regen is there to help.
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    In case anyone hadn't seen some earlier posts, each little green
    car is the equivalent energy of someone pushing the unpowered car
    around in a parking lot fairly hard for about 12 minutes. This is
    based on a fairly in-shape human being able to produce about a third
    of a horsepower [250 watts] just under the threshold of becoming
    overly tired, and a green car is a fifth of doing that for an hour.
    Four times that [i.e. stacking up four green cars] gets you about
    one free mile under ideal conditions at low speed.
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    _H*
     
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    I believe the "official" definition of each green car is the amount of energy needed to light a 50W lightbulb for one hour.
     
  6. hobbit

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    True, but a lot of people don't have any real-life feel for how
    much energy *that* is, either. Putting it in terms of how long and
    how hard they'd have to pedal the "generator bicycle" helps sometimes.
    .
    _H*
     
  7. Wendel

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    Thanks everyone for the information!

    Wendel
    :)
     
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    I'm curious about the other battery capacity indicator....the one with the blue bars in the 2006 model...i get bars most of the way up, but never the last couple. anyone know if that is normal?
     
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    Yeah, you'll never get the last couple, because then the bars turn green. It sounds like it's doing a good job keeping it optimally charged. I'd guess you don't live in a very hilly area.
     
  10. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Yup. You'll rarely see the green bars (7 and esp. 8) unless you live in an area with hills or you slow down at an exit ramp after a long hwy trip. (Assuming you brake properly and not engage the friction brakes).

    As for 8, you definitely won't see it unless you're coming down a mountain. The car is designed to keep the charge at 60% and that's 6 bars on the screen (more or less). The indicator on the screen doesn't show true SOC.
     
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    windstrings Certified Prius Breeder

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    Coming down a big hill or mountain while braking will fill them completely to the top.... once you get to the bottom of the hill where you require power again, you may even see that you can go into EV mode breifly as they bleed back down even though you may still be at relative high speeds of 50 or 60+ mph.

    There is a discussion about that issue here... http://priuschat.com/I-ran-in-ev-mode-goin...mph-t16030.html
     
  12. ken1784

    ken1784 SuperMID designer

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    When you are going down a long hill and the battry level becomes at the top of 8, the ICE starts to throw the energy away to protect the battery not to exceed the 80% SOC.
    In this situation, an EV mode switch (non-standard in the US models) can't be activeted and the ICE continues to spin.

    Ken@Japan
     
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    Now I haven't tried that!.. my EV switch will not manually activate at speeds faster than 34 mph, are you saying it may activate at faster speeds if I acheive the 8th green bar?

    Maybe you have a different EV switch possiblities where you are at or are they all programmed the same?
     
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    Faster than 34 mph, you can't activate the EV switch.
    http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=14582&hl=
    The program between JP and UK model are same.
    However, the battery level 8 behavior is not documented.

    Ken@Japan