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Clicking sound from engine after oil change

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by mikewithaprius, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. mikewithaprius

    mikewithaprius New Member

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    Hi all,

    I've had some other questions for you in the past, and they've turned out to be nothing. It looks like driving my first car that's not a piece of crap turns me into an auto-hypochondriac (autos, that is, not me). It continues...

    Today I heard a light clicking noise at about 368-400 beats per minute coming from the engine during acceleration. It was hard to pinpoint and see if it went away since I use the engine so infrequently with pulse and glide, but it was definitely there. I believe it went away by the end of the trip, but was present closer to startup each time I drove today. I'll be able to confirm that tomorrow evening after driving more. It seemed to come from the front right of the engine compartment, i.e. from the ICE. It was not present during EV acceleration, glides, braking, or anything else besides ICE on pulse.

    Background:

    I just changed the oil this past weekend for the first time since buying the car. It was also my first oil change by myself ever, and I'm thus most suspicious of myself. So go ahead and ask the questions that you might feel would be too "stupid" for most people, I don't mind! I do feel confident I did everything right, a friend had shown me before, and I followed directions from PriusChat as well - but you never know.

    I used a Toyota filter (90915-YZZF2) and Napa 5w-30 oil, non-synthetic, which I assumed was what the dealer had been using all those years (2007 model year, btw). I checked the dipstick after driving it the other day and the oil came up to just below the top dot as I wanted.

    Mileage doesn't seem to be affected, last few days since the change probably low to mid 60 mpgs average over 150 miles.

    Perhaps this is something that comes up and "goes away" after some more miles? Looking forward to your mechanical expertise and experience, thanks in advance, everyone.
     
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    Sounds like valve train noise. If so suspects are health, quality & viscosity of oil. The viscosity you use is good but not sure about the quality of oil. Napa dino oil? :eek:

    Why don't you go with a known excellent quality oil and change it every 10,000 miles like alot of us do. Like Mobil One. Thats a $30 oil change. One less thing to worry about.
    Saves money, and time, and wastes less oil.

     
  3. mikewithaprius

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    Thanks, Ed.

    My dad had some extra Napa laying around, sounds like in the future I should spring for Mobil. Would only 3 days of a certain type of oil would do that (genuine question)?

    The car has about 40k miles. I'll take a look down the oil fill hole tomorrow in the daylight. The assumption on the 5w-30 came from knowing it had always been dealer serviced, and Toyota recommended 5w-30 specifically for the Gen II during those years. I'll call the dealer to double-check.

    As for Mobil 1 (that's always synthetic, correct?), if my car has been on non-synthetic all these years, is it alright to switch to a different type after 40,000 miles of the engine used to something else (says the guy who used the Napa...)?
     
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    Oh only 40k thats cool. No way you should have valve train issues. I would suspect that oil.

    Keep in mind the top end of our cars are very noisey anyway. Solid lifters are noisey.

    Once when I tried 20 weight full synthetic in my new car it made quite a racket on the top end. It bothered me so I went back to 30 weight. You probaly have a good ear too.

    If it was me I would buy a 5 gallon jug at Walmart of the 5-30 Mobil One and keep using that factory filter (me too) and don't look back. Good for at least 10,000 miles. I do put a new oil filter in every 5,000 miles though. The factory filters are cheap like $5.

    I was at the Toy dealer today and there touting Penzoil Ultra Synthetic at $9 a quart. This stuff:

    Pennzoil - Not just oil, Pennzoil®

    Your engine will run so much better with excellent oil in it.
    BTW theres alot of excellent oil discussion on the BITOG forum. "Bob is the oil guy".
     
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    Hi Mike. I'm not sure how much of it is in the imagination or how much is real, but differences in top end (lifter) noise is one of the things that people most commonly attribute to different oils.

    Over at "bobstheoilguy" they're often going on about it. Only problem though is that there's no real consensus on which is best. You'll often get one person saying that their engine runs super smooth on oil "A" but is noisy as hell with oil "B". Then another person will say their engine runs super smooth on oil "B" but is noisy as hell with oil "A". What can you say? :confused:

    There are lots of good synthetic oils to choose from. Mobil One get lots of press but Shell (Penzoil) and Castrol make really good oils too (eg Castrol Edge). Personally though if I was to recommend one oil it would be Valvoline SynPower 5W30 as I've always been very happy with it. Using a better oil and going for a slightly longer interval (7500 to 9000 miles) works well for me.

    I'm reluctant to tell you to throw your current oil though. I know this stuff can sometimes be at least partially in the imagination once you focus on a noise.
     
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    Engine noise is not going to go away. However, if this is valve train noise and the noise stops after the engine warms up, then no worries.

    You might invoke inspection mode (do a search if interested) so that the engine will run continuously. Then have someone rev up the engine while it is cold and the car is parked in your driveway so that you can listen to the engine and figure out where the noise is coming from.

    It is possible that the engine oil previously used had greater viscosity at cold temperatures, thus muting the engine valvetrain noise.

    I believe that Toyota dealers use Mobil 5W-30 as their bulk oil.
     
  7. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    I'm no expert, but I DO trust my tiny local NAPA store. The owner is a real help and has saved us tons with his advice -- which often turns out to be an easy, cheap fix, rather than buying an expensive new part.

    We use NAPA oil all the time, even though it is no way the cheapest. It's pure Valvoline in a NAPA bottle. My mechanic Ken says NAPA/Valvoline is fine and says he uses it in his own rigs now and then.

    In other words, there is nothing wrong with NAPA oil, unless you want to debate syn. vs. traditional or unless you have something against Valvoline.
     
  8. mikewithaprius

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    Hey everyone, wanted to first thank y'all for the responses, and secondly give you an update.

    I went out the next morning to just listen as I drove. Idling there was nothing special, I opened the hood even to listen before taking off. I found the clicking was not at a noticeable level, but would get louder when I added a little juice (I was not at highway speeds, just around town, between 30 and 40 mph), when getting toward 2000 rpm, for example.

    I then had a couple longer drives, and everything seemed to go back to normal. Temps around 60°F today, engine was smooth as buttah, 62 mpg to work and 64 back per Scangauge.

    Uart, that sort of placebo effect ("That's new oil and I hear something new!") I considered, but in the end I'm sure it was just different for a couple days in terms of top-end noise. I'm a professional musician, and all I do all day is listen to sound. This clicking stuck out like a saxophone in a Beethoven symphony :)

    Cyberprius, I caught that after online, that Napa is just Valvoline. I think I will try Mobil next time around to see, and at that time we'll be getting near winter, it would be a good time to think about synthetic.

    Thanks all, again, you're a wonderful help!
     
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    is 0-20 too thin for the 08 Prius?