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Coolant and electrocution (water pump / idler pulley)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Sebastian Vaughn, Jul 23, 2013.

  1. Sebastian Vaughn

    Sebastian Vaughn New Member

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    So, I took my 2008 Prius to Dave's Ultimate Automotive here in Austin, TX to check out a noisy idler pulley and/or water pump. This auto shop has great reviews on yelp, google and repairpal, so was hoping to find a go-to autoshop. But after being quoted around $600 to do the job (which may or may not be a fair price - seems a little high to me), I said thanks but I'll try to do this myself.

    At this point, the gentleman at the desk 'strongly advised' me not to do that because of the risk of 'electrocution' when changing the coolant. His explanation summarized: "There are 'thousands' of volts running through the car and if you don't have these special $200 gloves for protection, you could die. There have been people that have actually died trying to do this because the coolant can conduct electricity." He then proceeded to actually show me the gloves, which were in a sealed plastic bag (indicating they've never even been used!!) He pulls out these red rubbery looking gloves that we're melted together near the bottom, clearly damaged somehow. Again, I said thanks but I'll try my DIY luck. I don't know much about cars, but that surely did not sound on the up-and-up.

    Is there any merit to this claim at all? After searching google on this topic, I can't find a single reference to such non-sense which leads me to believe that 1) he'd been trained or taught incorrectly or 2) he was flat out lying.

    Also, 2 other questions:
    1. I have no detectable leak in the water pump but will be changing the idler pulley and belt - would you guys recommend changing the water pump out anyway?
    2. If I change the water pump, should also replace the water pump pulley? There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the pulley (just a metal disc with no moving parts)
     
  2. Rich12

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    Has the wp been replaced ever under warranty? How many kilometers on the car? I don't know why you would want to change out the wp if it's not giving you any grief. Assuming you aren't pulling my chain the answer is, no, you won't get electrocuted changing the coolant.
     
  3. Sebastian Vaughn

    Sebastian Vaughn New Member

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    97,000 miles on the car and the WP has never been changed. I'm not pulling you're chain... This is what the guy said at the shop believe it or not. I think he was just trying to scare me into paying them.
     
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    Just change the idler & belt if its noisy. You didn't list the most important thing the miles but I assume its over 100K so if so your overdue on engine coolant change-Inverter coolant change-and transmission fluid change.

    The high voltage thing is ridiculous and now you know that Daves is a rip off place. Your lucky you know now and he didn't get his hands on your car.

    There are relays in the Hybrid battery case the high voltage battery. When car is not in READY those relays are open and then nothing comes out of the hybrid battery assembly. 0 volts.
    From the windshield forward concerning the engine its just a plain old Toyota 4 cylinder essentially.

    When the car is in READY the relays close and present 200 volts DC to the back of the Inverter via big orange cables. Any big cable orange cable in a Prius carries high voltage. You can see the big orange cables on the back of the Inverter.

    Btw, Welcome to PC!
     
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    I changed the idler pulley on my 05 Prius initially because my 92 Honda Civic VX had an idler pulley of the same design and it made a lot of noise before I replaced it, so I assumed that the Prius idler pulley bearing went bad too.

    Much to my chagrin, the idler pulley wasn't the noise source. It was the engine water pump instead. For me, there was no easy way to discern which moving part was causing the noise. A flip of the coin, so to speak.

    So, in the end, I have a new idler pulley bearing ($20), a new drive belt ($7), a new Aisin water pump ($45), and a fresh gallon of Toyota 50/50 SLLC ($22). For $100 plus my labor, I should be good to go for at least 100K miles or more before belt replacement.

    I'm not sure if I would have replaced the idler pulley bearing if I had replaced the water pump first. Probably not since the noise would have disappeared. But since the bearing was inexpensive, I might have changed it out anyway.

    $600 to replace a water pump? Not quite highway robbery - but close. You shouldn't pay more than $400.

    It's a relatively easy DIY job with hand tools. Not for the faint of heart though. If you snap a mounting bolt in the block for some reason, you'll be in a world of hurt. That rarely happens so don't be afraid to attempt the replacement if you've done other minor engine repairs before (the Prius was my third DIY engine water pump - it was my first external one though, the other two water pumps were protected from corrosion by timing belt covers ;) ).

    FYI - to be sure the engine doesn't "accidentally" start when you've got your hands on the engine, make sure the car is turned off and the smart key system is disabled (if so equipped). If you're super cautious, disconnect the negative cable from the 12V aux battery - absolutely zero chance of the engine starting then.

    No chance whatsoever of being electrocuted when draining and refilling the coolant.
     
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    i hope you place a review in all those great recommendation sites.;)
     
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    To add to edthefox5, if there was any truth to Dave's statement then you could get electrocuted adding coolant to the reservoirs with the engine running. Do you think Toyota would set themselves up to this type of safety issue?
     
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    Do you think Toyota would set themselves up to this type of safety issue?
    Ummmm....really? That's like asking if Ford would set themselves up by designing and selling a car with a fuel tank outside of the frame. Or Chevy selling a car with an air-cooled pancake motor in the boot causing it to be uncontrollable.
     
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    Are you stuck in the 60's, the 70's or both?
     
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    :eek:My family had a new Corvair, first or second year they were out (1961-62?). We all survived. Never had any experience with the Ford Pinto. I assume that's the second mystery vehicle.
     
  11. Sebastian Vaughn

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    Thanks for all the tips. I knew it sounded ridiculous and was just surprised that a shop with so many positive reviews would stoop to absurd scare tactics. Will be leaving my own less-than-stellar review :)

    I'll have my replacement parts tomorrow and will do the job myself save about $500 thanks to the How-To's on this site and youtube.
     
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