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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by Robo, Jun 26, 2013.

  1. Robo

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    I went ahead and had Giron emf shielding put on my 2007 Prius at the auto upholster's shop last month. I bought 10 linear sq. ft. And it just covered the entire carpet area when removed. The shop said they had to rivet the Giron because it would not glue. Having cancer in remission, I took the precaution of installing the material. Total cost with installation was about 700.00. I'll be ordering 5-10 more ft. To complete the rear seat and back of Prius. Better safe than sorry if you can afford it. What prompted me to post this was the loss of symptoms since the the Giron was applied. For about a year I have had sore joints and awakened at night with painful, numb hands. Recently the pain occurred during the day also. Today as I was walking I realized the pain was gone. Could it be that I was having a reaction to the emf's from the car, and the Giron shielding has stopped the problem? Anyways, if you have any symptoms such as painful joints, numb and painful hands, and own a hybrid or electric car, I would suggest getting the Giron and see if that solves the problem

    Did the Prius contribute to my developing cancer only scientific data of al hybrid and electric drivers and there rate of incidence of cancer can prove that. But like cigarette smoking, drinking coffee, and driving any car with high emf's, probably the more you do of any of the mentioned the higher your chances of developing cancer like problems. The simple solution for the Prius is to insulate the wire harnesses so they'll be a safe car without a doubt.
     
  2. bisco

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    what is it made of? do you mind me asking you what it cost? thanks!
     
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    I would think the EMF would come to the front "fire wall".
     
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    I hope the holes they punched through the floor are waterproof!
     
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    whoops, thanks mark!
     
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    If hybrids are causing cancer, I would expect an increase in incidence of cancer starting around 2000. This does not seem to be the case (see below). I suspect that $700 would be better spent on food that has less chance of causing cancer, or other ameliorative efforts.

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    I was ready to comment/ask 'why not wear a tin foil helmet?' But if this is a serious post, the proper question is 'why not just get a non-hybrid car?' OP has spent $700 on a 2007 vehicle and will be spending more. It seems that if health was the priority, dump the hybrid and drive something else! Do symptoms worsen when you walk in front of a microwave oven? Or use a computer, watch TV, turn on the lights..... I could go on.
     
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    Sorry you had cancer its a horrible disease but don't understand your reasoning. If I even suspected the car was affecting my health I would sell it. With this car your only saving $700 a year in gas anyway and you just blew a years worth of that on the insulation. A mere pittance in the grand scheme of possibly causing or worsening cancer.
    And alot more years of this car's gas savings on insurance co-pays.

    Please read my link. All Hybrids were tested for EMF. The Prius does not have High EMF. About the same or lower as an electric blanket or less.

    Mythbuster: EMF levels in hybrids
     
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    In the testing I have seen, the largest source of EMF in a Prius interior is the fan cooling the HV Battery. It is in the passenger compartment with you. (A/C Fans in some other cars are 'louder' so a hybrid is not special in this regard)

    I know the desire to have something to point to as the cause, I hope you continue to get facts, and do not fixate as did the "Autism is caused by not dying of childhood diseases" group.
     
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    No I don't think the Prius caused my cancer which is now on remission. I love the car, and the gas saving's,and was really ticked that my symptoms of painful joints went away after the emf shielding was applied. I might add that I have very sensitive skin,and use hypo allergenic soaps etc., as does my mother. Extreme allergies might also equate to higher sensitivities to emf, what they call emf allergies! I think this is the case with me. Needless to say I will buying a 4x4 tundra to end the problem completely! However, I'll be purchasing a tri-gauss meter(spelling) from lessemf to measure the amount of emissions in the car before and after the Giron is installed in the back of the car to enclose the battery. I will post the results when installed in about a month or two. I'll probably keep the car as an around town car.
     
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    I think your fears are unwarranted.

    But you certainly have the freedom to modify your vehicle in any manner that makes you feel better about it. Might be an additional layer of EMF protection as well as adding a degree of sound deadening. Outside of $700, I don't think you have much or anything to lose.

    At least you are being proactive.

    Go for it. Makes more sense than tinting your tail lights.
     
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    I was not aware of emf allergies. I googled it and apparently some people are hypersensitive to emf.
    That has to horrible to live in this modern world with that allergy. Knowing this i would not be driving a Prius though.
    Thanks for educating me today.
     
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    The batteries and the cables to the front in a Prius are actually DC. The inverters in the engine compartment pull current in a pulsed fashion, BUT the battery and the low impedance (rather thick low ohmic) lines running from the rear to the front act like a gigantic low pass filter. The battery is a HUGE capacitor. There is next to no AC in the lines going trough the car.
    Real EMF is coming from the front/engine compartment, if at all.
    The battery is also contained in a sealed metal box. There no radiation coming of the rear box. It is a Faraday cage.
    Folks have measured it and were rather surprised that a Prius is very low in EM emissions both in the car and outside.

    I would be worried, if you are prone to allergies, to the stink/smell from the battery venting rubber lines. The batteries never went, but the plasticizer used for the rubber lines is very smelly. Ever though your Prius smells like a horse stable? These are those rubber lines. you can seal the rear battery vent to the vent in the fender using duct tape. This prevents the stink/chemicals (rubber plasticizer) to vent into the trunk/interior. They now just vent to the outside. My Prius now smells like a horse stable from the outside, but the inside smell slowly disappears.

    And there more you think and worry about it the worse you will feel or experience symptoms. They are real, I am completely with you, but the main driver is not the EMV, it is your mind. Best prove is that the shielding works for your pain. If it helps, it is OK and the right thing to do. Just don't go overboard and have folks sell you things you won't need.

    Just my opinion.
     
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    Be sure to also measure the emissions around the electric appliances and wiring in your home, including in front of the TV and computers and microwave and cordless and cell phones, and along the wiring runs in the walls, plus around your workplace and at your workstation, and any other vehicles you may ride in. Previous measurements discussed here suggest that you are likely to find numerous things reading higher than your Prius.

    I'm more concerned about air quality in all these enclosed spaces.
     
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    the comment "Needless to say I will buying a 4x4 tundra to end the problem completely! "
    puts me to believe its not that serieus of a topic?

    o a BMW 5 series over here has higher EMF then the prius..... ( not current model but before )
    so high even it was problematic to install a radio ( A MC police radio ) into the passenger side..
     
  17. a_gray_prius

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    I think the most common exposure most people have to a string EM field is riding on the subway in major cities. If EMF was a huge contributor to cancer incidence (and I am not arguing it does not have any effect), cancer incidence in cities where there is electric rail mass transit would be much higher. It is not, so I can only conclude that there isn't a massive effect.
     
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    Or how about the AC wiring in homes that surround us where we eat, sleep and live? Also, people have had electrons shooting at them square in the face with CRT TV's for generations with no ill effects. Not to mention cells phones transmitting right next to our heads. I highly doubt a Prius or any other Hybrid, or even full electric vehicle gives us any concern for causing cancer.
     
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    I think the OP has a valid point and critique of the Prius. It does have high EMF I'll find another study but it was found by members of Prius Chat that EMF was actually high in several areas not just the footwell. In certain countries there does exist EMF limits and the Prius has to be prepared for them. Everything is cost vs benefit not fear mongering and ostriching.
     
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    There was a study i have found, but it was of the Classic prius. They found some DC magnetische Fields around the Battery connectors, but nö partikular High em emissions elsewhere, e.g. The rear.

    One you are scherend and convinced of an Effekt, it Really makes you Sick. Well Known fact: psychosomatic .
    Any measures the patient believes that work will actually work, even if it makes little sense from a rational, medical or science point of view searching for a direct connection. The OP WILL feel better now. The large expense helps on top of it. The joint pain WILL be reduced. Goal achieved. For him, his " advisor" and the installer.
    Welcome to the world of alternative medicine.

    I can recommend a book on it: Bad Science from Ben Goldacre. Bad science.net. :)




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