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It all started with a flat tire, and now I beg for your help!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by jendbbay, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. edthefox5

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    Yes Jen take it to Luscious and have an experienced Prius OWNER of that Gen model drive the car.

    All seems to point to alignment. Incorrect toe really affects how the car turns into a corner and how it leaves the corner. Incorrect toe on this car would be drastic feel with the zero deadband and basicly almost sitting on top of the wheels. Make sure when you turn into a corner you can almost let go of the wheel as you leave the corner and the wheel should effortlessly turn back to center when leaving the corner. When toe is out it will not do that well.

    Trust your husbands muscle memory. Not to be a sexist pig but in my observation women don't seem to notice driving issues in cars like guys do especially car guys. I notice everything. Its horrible lol...

    And in the meantime stop worrying about the mpg loss or gain. Get the patient off life support before you make him run.

    Good Luck and don't dump the car. Its easily fixed.
     
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    I so wish the car could be easily fixed. In response to your (collective) questions:

    oopes posted that too soon, to say the least.
    I am at the Toyota Dealership so that I can determine if I am correct about the steering wheel recall. I am correct about that. However, I was just about the first repair they did, so maybe they didn't do it right? I have them checking.

    I am very attentive to how a car "feels" to drive so I don't agree with the poster who claimed this to be a male vs female thing. I do notice a difference in the steering -- no response until we have turned the steering wheel much further than we used to and as the car should correct itself after a turn, it doesn't it ends up steering sharply to the right after a right turn or to the left after a left turn. This is not the way any car should behave and we would never have bought it had it been remotely like this.

    I do appreciate ALL of your inputs and I am grateful, even if I don't agree that I am unable to discern how the car works. I do agree that there is a difference in how extreme my husband's opinion is vs mine. However, I might well agree with him if I had to drive the car more than once ever couple of months.

    So I have asked them to drive the car and give me an opinion, change the oil without overfilling and with synthetic, rotate the tires, and redo the recall if they think something was done wrong when the recall was done the first time.

    I'll update the list when/if I get anything substantive. I will be calling Luscious to schedule an appointment if I get no satisfaction here.

    Also, it was an extremely flat tire and we have no idea how that happened. My husband learned that it was flat when he went to get into the car and saw a note on the window. He was headed to the hospital with what turned out to be pulmonary emboli and I was left to get the car fixed. I have a permanently smashed tibia plateau and can't bend my knee without excruciating pain. Therefore, I had it towed on a flatbed.
     
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    What size are the tires on the car now
    You stated it turns slowly left or right, just wondering what size they are

    Irregardless of the rubber, it's time for some low rolling resistance tires, preferably Michelin, not the Defender, then you have a clean slate to start with, Luscious can install them for you....
     
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    That's classic misadjusted toe.
     
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    it turns out they did not check the toe. After all that. They had several people drive it around and everyone thought it was perfect. They rotated the tires, changed the oil, checked on the recall to be sure I had had it and I did. So they gave it a clean bill of health. They need to check the toe in. gasp. I knew that was probably THE issue and I asked them to check that, and they later told me that they didn't do it because it would mean that I would pay for another realignment. So, they made the decision to skip it.
     
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    this read is like a good murder mystery!:cool:
     
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    I love this OP. Explanation was very inclusive. Tackeling the problem one at a time is the best way. There should be a minimal amount of free play in the steering wheel, that can be checked easily. The steering should never be slow to react. Your husband is right slow steering is dangerous. As for the rest of the problems they may all be inter-related. As Pat says, stick with LG.
     
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    . They fed you a line of mist there, if they did not check the toe in and admitted it to you, they must redo the whole alignment at their COST. Toe in is part of the alignment check. Suggestion: Have your husband bring the car in to these idiots. Some people in the car business will attempt to take advantage of a woman. I believe LG is straight. PS. If you asked them to check it, they should have and the request should have been written on the work order. Hope your husband and you are getting better.
     
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    I'll be going back to LG one more time, after calling the owner as was suggested by one of you above. I will post the results when that's been done. Perhaps that will be this Thursday or on Monday when I have tickets to see Lincecum! Go Tim.
     
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    Thanks so much or this. I'm resolved to go back to LG one more time about this. They did the complete alignment and it isn't satisfactory to my husband. I have to get them to recheck it again and drive it again, and as suggested above, get a Prius Gen 2 owner to drive it.
     
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    if you go without your husband, i hope he's happy when you get home!(y)
     
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    He works ALL the time. There's no way to get him to SF for this.
     
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    i understand, it's just a very difficult way to do it, and perhaps part of your problem.
     
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    indeed. also, I insisted on Synthetic oil, on getting the car in regularly, on keeping it going as perfectly as I can. He let the previous Accord run completely down to sludge. So I thought I could do better than that. Now, I'm not so sure. Making him happy about this car may be impossible now. He's dug in about this.
     
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    no offense, but that's a pretty interesting dynamic you guys have got going on there. sorry i can't be of more help. i do wish you all the best:)
     
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    no offense taken, other than that which I deserve.
     
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    There seem to be 4 important things going on here. They are
    1. New tires
    2. Tire pressure
    3. Alignment
    4. DH hospital experience
    New tires are going to feel different, and provide lower mileage. You didn't identify the old tire brand/model, but I assume that you mentioned the new ones being Ecopia that they are different.

    I don't buy the Firestone guy's claim that the tire damage was caused by alignment. Most alignment problems show up as a wear pattern on the tread. I agree that you shouldn't mix a tire with 50,000 miles on it with a new one, so you certainly needed at least 2 new tires. Replacing all 4 is probably more than necessary, but you really already got good value from the old ones.

    Any car with 110,000 miles on it could probably use an alignment. But from what the Luscious mechanic said, it doesn't sound like Firestone did a proper job.

    Tire pressure certainly affects handling, with lower pressure softer and mushier. I like 42 front, 40 back, so my vote goes with Luscious.

    DH's vascular trauma and trip to the hospital probably used up a lot of his tolerance for things going wrong. There may even be some brain injury, such as occurs when people go on a heart/lung machine. He'll get better with time, but understand that he's running on a shorter fuse than before the trauma. Personally, I think he'd be helped by using an oxygen concentrator for 10-20 minutes occasionally. I got one off Craigslist for $150, and use it after heavy exercise. I'm sure there are all sorts of legal gotchas about it, but my experience is that machines that cost $3000 new are generally available for a few hundred dollars. Hey, if football players can suck oxygen between plays, I don't see why older people shouldn't use the same aid.
     
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    Appointment at LG made. There seems to be only one mechanic, or one that they are willing for me to have, and I like him. I did t
    I've thought about the possibility that his reactions to all of these issues are influenced by his recent and longer term (different) medical issues. However, his PE's are not large, he was never on any equipment, nor was he actually hospitalized. He was treated in an urgent care center and released to home with a medication that does not need hospitalization, close followup or blood level tests. He seemed to recover immediately, though freaked out at work the next week -- feeling chest pain and going in an ambulance to be checked. I completely understood that reaction to such a frightening issue. To make matters worse, he is on a CPAP which he feels has caused breathing pain, that he insists, is different than the breathing pain he had when he had his embolisms. So in addition to trying to fix the car, we are trying to determine what that issue really is. I am mindful that he is prone to create the wrong connections between causes and effects.

    I agree that different tires will feel different. I want to get LG to give him a clear answer and I think he'll probably be able to live with whatever they say. We will check toe and other issues and have him talk on the phone to them.
     
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    Thanks for keeping us posted. Stay well.
     
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    Your husband maybe wants a newer Prius? ;) H