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Will you be ordering the new iPhoneS or C ?

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  1. JMD

    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    The article if read carefully is saying Apples OS is a problem for the NSA to gather data.
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    The prevalent use of smartphones provides valuable information in court cases. For example if you are accused of a crime and arrested and your cell phone data puts you at the scene of the crime and contradicts your story well you got a problem.

    The cell phone is not the problem the criminal is the problem.

    Earlier I said if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.

    I also said you want to protect your personal information from organized crime.
     
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    Who decides what 'wrong' is ? There is a lot to be said for protecting personal privacy and civil rights in keeping a healthy democracy, but worrying about touch ID in the iPhone strikes me as misplaced paranoia. And as someone who has been fingerprinted too many times to count as part of my work as a physician, I truly cannot get worked up about a redneck worried that his next application for another/bigger gun might be denied.
     
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    I remember back in the day asking the Series 7 exam to be a stock broker required a finger print. Today in California a finger print is required for a drivers license.
     
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    Walmart is taking per orders tomorrow at midnight on the web site for both models. That is unconfirmed
     
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    I don't really think the phone matters. If the NSA wants your data, they're gonna get it.

    That being said, if you don't like the fingerprint feature, just use a password.

    I have purchased many firearms so the Feds already have them already ;)
     
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    I ordered a Sony Experia Z1 the day before the new iPhone was announced. I currently have iPhone 4 16gb.
    I have absolutely no regrets getting a phone with aluminium body, gorilla glass front and rear, 5 inch screen, water resistant, dust resistant, longer battery life and it takes up to 64gb micro SD card. Cost to me is slightly less than the iPhone 5 on my plan.

    I'd never buy another Samsung product ever again and I recommend my friends don't, at least those in Australia. Samsung Australia treated me apaulingly when I made a warranty claim on a refrigerator that didn't work right out the box, I'll never go through that with them again. Refused to replace with new and didn't fix for over 10 days due to not having a new compressor in Australia, they had plenty of new fridges. In the end the retailer replaced the Samsung with an LG product and charged Samsung the freight costs. I was happy with that.
    And once again I pay out a company I used to like, I have several Samsung pruducts in my house but when they die they wont be replaced with Samsung. I hope Samsung are reading this. Since that day I have bought 3 phones, 2 TVs (one for my mum), a microwave, they all might have been samsung, but weren't.
     
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    To bad Apple does not make home appliances
     
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    You screen name really does fit you well. Well done you!
     
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    It's cool, there are lots of appliance manufacturers, only 1 I wont be doing business with.
     
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    The NSA directors comments are what makes me think THEY can read more than the 4 points from a finger print than Apple allows you to use for security and locking the phone.

    There's no reason to believe the hardware is limited to reading 4 rudimentary points. Apple also states that they don't let developers access the reader, but I doubt that stops the NSA.

    I might still buy it, but only because the NSA already has my prints along with a host of other people because of work. I'm just leery of the power and ease it brings to tracking by government.

    Nexus 7 ? 4
     
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    I think it's foolish to think that nobody will be able to hack in and get your fingerprint data. However, it doesn't matter, like mentioned by myself and others in this thread, if someone wants your data they'll get it.

    Awesome that Best Buy is doing a buyback program that will give people like JMD and myself a profit when we turn in our phones.
     
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    Awesome that you think so.
     
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    You mean you don't think they'll really pay out $220 for a "fair" one? Or are you saying all the costs associated with having a cell phone plan mean that we are losing money?

    If it's the second one, well, everyone needs a plan, there's not much to do about that if you are someone who uses the phone a lot.
     
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    Whether you use the phone a little or a lot, rest assured that your phone company has rolled the unrecovered* cost of the phone into your monthly charge. And maybe a little more for financing ;)


    *by unrecovered I mean what the company paid Apple for the phone, less the amount you paid for the phone when you signed up for the contract.
     
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    Ok, so you can't escape those costs then, right? Everyone is paying those costs. So you just flatten those costs. Everything is even at that point.

    It doesn't change the fact that I paid $200 for a physical object and I can sell it for $220.

    But alas, this really doesn't have to do with the new iPhones specifically, which is what this thread is about.
     
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    The difference is the financing costs -- in a perfectly informed market. In the phone market I think the overall cost is *almost* always quite a bit more than just adding a 'reasonable' financing charge because it tends to cater to convenience seekers and monthly payment consumers.

    You didn't pay $200 for the phone -- you paid $200 down, and then took on a 2 year loan. The early termination fee reflects the fact that you have a partially paid for phone.

    And now, back to our regularly scheduled show.
     
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    Sage guys like me need a smart phone for work and social interaction.

    On occasion I get pinged from someone at work or a client while out. The cost if the phone is the cost of doing business and the benefit is higher income.
     
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    The biggest decision is what color.

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    Understood.

    I was only remarking on an earlier comment that the phone repurchase amount by BestBuy was more than the consumer bought it for; and then I kind of veered off into a subtle suggestion to consider buying the phone outright. Now that I think about the comment a bit more, it is just a tad incredible to think that BestBuy would pay more for a used phone than the phone cost new two years ago. Even before the deal is actually worked out, common sense should suggest more is at play.

    Sorry for the tangent. Back to the iPhone 5 s/c :)
     
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