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Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by Vern2, Jan 5, 2014.

  1. Vern2

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    Chevy volt prices finally dropped to or below Pip. Wife's been driving 2008, 2011 Prius for 6 years. Sorry, new owner of Volt, charging on 120v to 47 mile range, here in Arizona. Was looking for a Pip, prices higher then the Volt and impossible to find. :rolleyes:
     
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    wow, that's sweet, congrats! (y) can you break down the pricing for us on both vehicles please?
     
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    must be out driving his volt.:cool:
     
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    Good if you want more EV miles. Didn't realized the competition is getting that desperate.
     
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    honestly, they must have come WAY down.:eek:
     
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    Or it is one of those post meant to redirect attention to Volt and OP leaving us to talk among ourselves.
     
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    It came down to a used 2012 Volt and a used 2012 PIP, which i finally bought. The 7-hour charging time was too long for me, the lack of middle rear seat, and the poor post-EV MPG nixed the Volt for me. Even without EV, I'm averaging about 62 MPG in my PIP; that's double the Volt....
     
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    I picked up the Volt for $32k with 23 miles on it, here in Arizona. I thought I was going to get a post reply, no such luck. The Volt took a $5k drop in price, plus you get the full $7.5k Fed rebate. Picked up Volt on Black Friday weekend. Pip's are impossible to find.



    Volt has the same software as the Pip. Depends on how you drive it, your charge millage goes up or down. Actually previous Prius drivers get better charge miles then new Volt drivers. Like I said the wifes charge miles started at 38, now it's at 47 miles on a charge now. Kids are gone, so the long charge time has worked out fine for us. I drive the Hummer, so I don't really care about gas millage. I'm retired and drive it less then 3k miles a year.

    Was going to add more solar, but could not get it installed in 2013. Bought the Volt with solar money, so I'll get the Fed discount for 2013. Solar add install scheduled for Apr 2014, for a Fed discount for 2014 in 2015. I had enough solar for zero electric bills for last 4 years, got to add more for the Volt and shop AC. The small back seat is fine, remember kids are gone. A child seat works fine in the back, hauling around grand kids.:)

    Here's me building solar add. 20+ solar instal videos here.

    The thing with the 37 mpg on ice is okay, because the 38+ miles from a charge, your likely to drive the Volt 1 to 2k miles on your first tank of gas, probably more. Please don't get me wrong, I wanted a hard to find Pip and every Chevy dealer had 1 to 5 Volts to chose from. Ours came with rear camera and backup sensors, which added $1.5k to the price, so the real price for the Volt was $30,500. My wife does not think the drivers view is restrictive, she said it's just like our, now gone 2011 Prius.
     
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    The ice on a Volt is a generator for the electric motor. It has a cooling and heating system for the batteries, below.



    Volt's top speed, 100 mph. Here's mechanical operation. Ice locks to drive train above 70 mph.



    Enjoy!
     
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    so, your net net is 25k?
     
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    From the above Volt videos, it is clear that the Volt is an EV, with the ICE being there only to turn a generator which powers the electric motor once the traction battery is depleted (kind of like a diesel locomotive), with the exception that above 70mph, the ICE provides power directly to the wheels. OTOH, the PiP is an enhanced hybrid which mixes ICE and electric power, trying to use the most efficient mix in a given situation. The Power Split Device in the Prius seems a lot simpler mechanically (just a planetary gear with no clutches and such), depending on sophisticated control software instead.

    I don't intend to be critical of the Volt; I am just trying to understand the differences between the two designs.
     
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    i think you've got it nailed. it really comes down to what type of driving you do and car size needed as vern stated. the only other concern is longevity, so far it's holding up well. if they are going to start selling them for 25k, i expect them to have a pretty good year in '14.
     
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    Toyota has yet to start offering the PiP nationwide. They are tough to find in some locations although there are dealers outside of the 'official' areas that have them.

    If the 35-45 EV range meets your needs and you don't need the 5th seat, the Volt is a wonderful option.

    It is all a matter of the right tool for the right job.
     
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    You just gotta luv a Volt/Hummer combo! That breaks all the stereotype rules.
     
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    THANKS! For making me feel I'm only trying to educate not sell the the Volt. The Pip is a better car, it will last longer and is the better of the two, for an all around car. If your basic needs is an IN TOWN car the Volts wins hands down on best gas millage. That's exactly my situation. My wife's still working, only a 5 mile drive from the house. Yes, that fits the Prius 14 mile range, but some how she drives from 25 to 35 miles everyday, don't know. I guess we are all lucky to have a wide range of plug-in vehicles to chose from. I got, the 04 Hummer with 26k mile's, oil change yesterday. I drove less then 2k miles last year, wow. Today off to the car wash to get it's yearly detail and wax job. The Hummer has never been in the shop, it's worked perfect for the last 10 years, that's better then the Prius, except for the gas millage.

    I live life different then anyone I know. At 70 this year, I can't wait to get up, my first cup of coffee, then start to work on one of my three hobbies that pays for them self. Machinist, Farming and Writing software.
     
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    so is this $25,000. deal common, or did you get something special.
     
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    The 70 mph is an arbitrary example. I hear it can lock on as low as 35 mph.

    As I understand it, the volt has 4 internal driving modes, depending on conditions:

    1) single motor EV, used at slow speeds and for acceleration. (much like many BEVs)
    2) dual motor EV, efficiency mode used for steady speeds at probably 35+
    3) series hybrid, used at slow speeds and for acceleration (much like a diesel train)
    4) parallel hybrid, efficiency mode used for steady speeds at probably 35+ (electric motor is still the primary source of power; the engine alone can't drive the wheels, only assist).

    Differences from a pip would be that the volt can stay in #1 or #2 so long as the battery isn't depleted (with a few exceptions for maintenance and temperature extremes). There's no maximum speed at which the volt needs to start the engine. I can't imagine it'd last very long, but you could technically drive at 100 mph in EV only till the battery depletes.

    Even after the battery had been depleted, it may switch back to one of the first two modes if it gains enough juice again (such as due to regeneration). And of course, it may turn the engine off if the power draws are low enough, such as at a stoplight.

    In the parallel hybrid mode, the electric motor is the primary source of power - the engine alone can't drive the wheels. It can assist with bringing down the motor's RPMs though. The engine also can't provide as much power as the volt is capable of using for acceleration/what not - any additional power needed comes from the buffer it keeps in the battery. In the pip, additional power needed comes from the engine/starts it if necessary. This difference probably stems from the volt being primarily/firstly an EV and the pip primarily being a hybrid. The planetary gearset is arranged/used differently.
     
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    bisco,

    The $5k was already taken out with the $30.5k price. With my income I'll be able to get a Fed rebate of $5k so the Volt's net net to me is $25k. I found an honest dealer that has real invoice prices. They did have a base model at 31K, but with my wife's two backup accidents.:eek: Well, I figured I should get the backup camera and warning sensors.

    Here is a layout drawing of shop. All tools are new, sense retired, and in place. AC on my list.
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    very nice, all the best!(y)
     
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    shiranpuri,

    Much more detail and all correct.

    Bisco,

    I got a high trade-in on 2011 Prius. Of course Taxes eats into the whole deal. With the Fed discount at $7.5k makes the Volt very buyable. Surprised the Volt really holds it's value, check it out in blue book. Keep your car a long time, BUY A PRIUS plug-in.