December 2013 - Dashboard Report

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    0 [tr][th]model[th]Dec_13[th]Nov_13[th]Oct_13[th]Sep_13
    1 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius Liftback[td2]9881[td2]9801[td2]8239[td2]9033
    2 [tr][td2]Jetta Diesel[td2]2894[td2]2936[td2]3286[td2]3716
    3 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius C[td2]2810[td2]3001[td2]3035[td2]3283
    4 [tr][td2]Ford Fusion Hybrid[td2]2768[td2]2769[td2]2577[td2]2265
    5 [tr][td2]Toyota Camry Hybrid[td2]2726[td2]2994[td2]2903[td2]3069
    6 [tr][td2]Nissan Leaf[td2]2529[td2]2003[td2]2002[td2]1953
    7 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Volt[td2]2392[td2]1920[td2]2022[td2]1766
    8 [tr][td2]Passat Diesel[td2]2209[td2]2432[td2]2416[td2]2784
    9 [tr][td2]Sonata[td2]2121[td2]1866[td2]1318[td2]2102
    10 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius V[td2]2110[td2]2227[td2]2254[td2]2422
    11 [tr][td2]Lexus CT200h[td2]1787[td2]1002[td2]842[td2]798
    12 [tr][td2]ES Hybrid[td2]1706[td2]1393[td2]1367[td2]1223
    13 [tr][td2]Tesla Model S*[td2]1700[td2]1400[td2]1300[td2]1100
    14 [tr][td2]Avalon Hybrid[td2]1480[td2]1532[td2]1398[td2]1104
    15 [tr][td2]3-Series Diesel[td2]1322[td2]815[td2]839[td2]421
    16 [tr][td2]Ford C-Max Hybrid[td2]1201[td2]1457[td2]1438[td2]1424
    17 [tr][td2]RX 400 / 450 h[td2]1153[td2]1105[td2]1258[td2]815
    18 [tr][td2]Kia Optima Hybrid[td2]990[td2]1233[td2]1151[td2]1272
    19 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius Plug In[td2]919[td2]1100[td2]2095[td2]1152
    20 [tr][td2]Ford C-Max Energi[td2]827[td2]941[td2]1092[td2]758
    21 [tr][td2]Fusion Energi[td2]791[td2]870[td2]1087[td2]750
    22 [tr][td2]Q5 Diesel[td2]768[td2]523[td2]479[td2]474
    23 [tr][td2]MKZ[td2]754[td2]852[td2]717[td2]619
    24 [tr][td2]Honda Civic Hybrid[td2]712[td2]1031[td2]1158[td2]402
    25 [tr][td2]Q7 Diesel[td2]655[td2]374[td2]382[td2]424
    26 [tr][td2]Cruze Diesel[td2]495[td2]546[td2]510[td2]479
    27 [tr][td2]5-Series Diesel[td2]471[td2]280[td2]243[td2]101
    28 [tr][td2]ML Class Diesel[td2]458[td2]469[td2]411[td2]337
    29 [tr][td2]Lacrosse Hybrid[td2]447[td2]430[td2]552[td2]423
    30 [tr][td2]Golf Diesel[td2]434[td2]518[td2]526[td2]528
    31 [tr][td2]GLK Class Diesel[td2]429[td2]403[td2]389[td2]346
    32 [tr][td2]Accord Hybrid[td2]426[td2]530[td2]23[td2]
    33 [tr][td2]Honda Insight[td2]418[td2]402[td2]463[td2]299
    34 [tr][td2]Honda CR-Z[td2]384[td2]295[td2]325[td2]264
    35 [tr][td2]QX60 Hybrid[td2]374[td2][td2][td2]
    36 [tr][td2]Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid[td2]360[td2]394[td2]666[td2]887
    37 [tr][td2]GL-Class Diesel[td2]346[td2]528[td2]490[td2]467
    38 [tr][td2]A6 Diesel[td2]336[td2]265[td2]241[td2]216
    39 [tr][td2]Pathfinder Hybrid[td2]334[td2][td2][td2]
    40 [tr][td2]E-Class Diesel[td2]306[td2]298[td2]219[td2]182
    41 [tr][td2]Cayenne Diesel[td2]276[td2]412[td2]451[td2]447
    42 [tr][td2]Highlander Hybrid[td2]272[td2]332[td2]331[td2]325
    43 [tr][td2]Malibu Hybrid[td2]266[td2]425[td2]819[td2]858
    44 [tr][td2]Touareg Diesel[td2]233[td2]264[td2]230[td2]265
    45 [tr][td2]Beetle Diesel[td2]174[td2]170[td2]212[td2]266
    46 [tr][td2]forTwo EV[td2]167[td2]153[td2]111[td2]137
    47 [tr][td2]Ford Focus EV[td2]158[td2]130[td2]115[td2]110
    48 [tr][td2]Honda Civic[td2]118[td2]136[td2]229[td2]105
    49 [tr][td2]A7 Diesel[td2]104[td2]92[td2]90[td2]73
    50 [tr][td2]Regal Hybrid[td2]93[td2]187[td2]178[td2]185
    51 [tr][td2]A8 Diesel[td2]92[td2][td2][td2]
    52 [tr][td2]Q50 Hybrid[td2]91[td2][td2][td2]
    53 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih)[td2]87[td2]56[td2]47[td2]25
    54 [tr][td2]Spark[td2]76[td2]87[td2]87[td2]78
    55 [tr][td2]Cayenne Hybrid[td2]55[td2]58[td2]59[td2]67
    56 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih)[td2]52[td2]47[td2]32[td2]33
    57 [tr][td2]Fit EV[td2]51[td2]23[td2]40[td2]35
    58 [tr][td2]500E[td2]50[td2]60[td2]50[td2]50
    59 [tr][td2]Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid[td2]47[td2]4[td2]4[td2]2
    60 [tr][td2]ILX Hybrid[td2]44[td2]44[td2]137[td2]108
    61 [tr][td2]Lexus GS 450h[td2]44[td2]25[td2]34[td2]31
    62 [tr][td2]Audi Q5 Hybrid[td2]43[td2]38[td2]56[td2]73
    63 [tr][td2]Accord Plug In[td2]38[td2]68[td2]71[td2]51
    64 [tr][td2]S-Class Diesel[td2]36[td2]26[td2]27[td2]31
    65 [tr][td2]Impala Hybrid[td2]35[td2]16[td2]0[td2]0
    66 [tr][td2]M Hybrid[td2]33[td2]33[td2]34[td2]33
    67 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid[td2]31[td2]28[td2]26[td2]14
    68 [tr][td2]Toyota RAV4 EV[td2]28[td2]62[td2]91[td2]167
    69 [tr][td2]E400H[td2]20[td2]20[td2]22[td2]27
    70 [tr][td2]GMC Yukon Hybrid[td2]19[td2]10[td2]15[td2]17
    71 [tr][td2]i[td2]11[td2]12[td2]28[td2]20
    72 [tr][td2]BMW X5 Diesel[td2]7[td2]32[td2]30[td2]939
    73 [tr][td2]Cadillac Escalade Hybrid[td2]7[td2]13[td2]14[td2]14
    74 [tr][td2]LS 600h[td2]6[td2]5[td2]6[td2]3
    75 [tr][td2]ELR[td2]6[td2][td2][td2]
    76 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid[td2]5[td2]4[td2]6[td2]4
    77 [tr][td2]7-Series ActiveHybrid[td2]5[td2]3[td2]6[td2]1
    78 [tr][td2]S400HV Hybrid[td2]2[td2]3[td2]0[td2]0
    79 [tr][td2]Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid[td2]2[td2][td2][td2]
    80 [tr][td2]GMC Sierra Hybrid[td2]1[td2]3[td2]3[td2]2
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard - HybridCars.com (well worth reading!)

    Bob Wilson
     
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  2. bisco

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    thanks bob! does anyone have the totals for 2013? found it in the article, pretty good year for hybrids!
     
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    argh, Accord Hybrid sales went down, not up.
    Wow, look at Prius plug-in and C-Max, neither did well last month.
     
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  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Graphs often show patterns not evident in the data:
    [​IMG]
    There was a distinct drop in Prius hatchback sales in September and since then, it has 'held its own.' For the past four months:
    • Ford Fusion - grew but it also didn't have the inflated MPG problems like the C-Max
    • Nissan Leaf - solid growth
    • Volt - solid growth
    • Lexus CT200h - huh? Where did that one come from?
    Looking at the second and third tiers:
    [​IMG]
    I reduced the y-axis scale to see more of the history of the lowest tier. By my eyes are still seeing three groups with possibly the Leaf and Volt moving from 2nd to 1st tier.

    Something happened to the hybrid and fuel efficient car market in September. With inventory, the plug-in and EV models are still doing well. But there was a distinct softness starting in September. I don't know if it is inventory related or something else but the effect is real.

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    Heya, saw a typo in your second paragraph:

    "Toyota remains the hybrid market leader by far, but December sales for Toyota’s hybrids were down significantly from the previous December – for example, the Liftback sold 12,536 in December 2012, compared to 9,881 in December 2012. "
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I notice the "Jetta" and "Passat" diesels are showing a steady decrease whose rate of decline is greater than the three closest hybrids, "Prius C", "Fusion Hybrid", and "Camry Hybrid." When we see a four month decline, a pattern like this, it begins to suggest a softening. Heck, even the Plug-Ins, "Leaf", "Volt", and "Tesla" are showing healthy trends compared to the diesels.

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Yet, the Audi and BMW diesels are showing growth.
    It would seem that the more price conscious segment maybe becoming sticker shy to the price of diesel, or they have simply jumped the VW ship with more diesel options now available.

    Have the diesel Ram and Grand Cherokee started delivering?
     
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    I would say there is quite a bit of seasonality along with gas prices. I would not read that much into it.

    We can expect January will provide anouther drop in plug-in sales. 2014 should be a down year for the prius liftback, phv, and v, unless there are price drops. Its just the cycle for aging designs with more competition. We can expect the general auto market will be up, the hybrid market up more than that, and plug-ins remaining the big growth. If you look at single months though we will seem some declines in hybrids and plug-ins. The trend long term is up, and the liftback will get a big sales boost when it is redesigned as long as it is a good redesign.
     
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    There it is again, the desire to debate. No matter how much some people point out their preference to wait for a vehicle to become well established before purchasing, there's someone else to label that mature status as outdated, aged, or obsolete. Whatever.
     
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    John, I understand when I post and you see red, but there was nothing there. Its just the refresh cycle, in the auto market. Bob pointed out that prius liftback sales were down, that isn't a bad thing, the market is up, and toyota will create more prius sales in the next cycle. We shouldn't expect liftback sales to rise each year, or any car. If I said the same think about the F-series (which is true) would you get so mad.
     
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    That claim is a direct contradiction to the fundamental purpose of hybrids... to replace traditional vehicles.
     
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    Well then I leave it to you to explain the liftback selling less in 2013 than 2012. I don't think its a problem. I am sorry if I am the messanger, but I see rising sales for the prius over the next decade, but this is not straight line. There will be lower years like 2013, and I predict 2014. I would be happy to be proved wrong for 2014.

    As technology progresses, gas gets more expensive, and tougher cafe rules kick in, a larger proportion of cars should move to hybrid as long as manufacturers make more desirable hybrid cars. I don't expect oil to make a straight line increase year over year, as it never has in the past. I don't think hybrids change any of the rules of car making, although tesla is trying to make bevs challenge those rules.
     
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    How so?

    The claim was concerning the Prius LB only, because the model generation is nearing its end, and new car buyers will elect to wait for the next one to come out. I pointed this out in another thread when low LB sales came out. However, their are more hybrids to choose from now. Their market share may have gotten higher because of that.

    A prediction that the Prius won't do well is not a prediction that hybrids will lose ground.
     
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    I understand from the AutoLine Daily podcast that auto sales were up 7.5% for 2013:
    AD #1285 – U.S. Car Sales, Don Butler Lands at Ford, Corvette’s Performance Black Box – Autoline Daily

    For hybrids to be keeping pace with the industry, their total sales should have been 7.5%. But even with the diesels, fuel efficient cars are still falling behind. More ordinary gassers are going out the door than hybrids and that is a bad trend.

    Toyota has pretty well carried the hybrid market, year-after-year. Without effective participation and a growing market share, it means we're subject to the whim of Toyota Management. Good as they are, it is best to have the supplier risk spread around as witness the Tsunami effects.

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    December 2013 Dashboard - HybridCars.com
    Hybrid grew 14.1%, plug-ins grew 80.9% (disclaimer final plug in numbers not yet in from tesla), diesels 9.6% yoy 2013 versus 2012. Fuel efficient vehicles are growing in market share but from a vert low level.

    Absolutely.
     
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    For Prius, don't we we really need to compare c+v+Liftback+PiP 2012 v. 2013?

    Anyways I found myself making a list of reasons why Prius could be trending down:
    (1) Many more plug-ins, hybrids and other competition out there (as others noted).
    (2) Supplies seemed lower towards end 2013, we did not have the big PiP surplus sales like last year
    (3) Felt to me like the small overlap crash test may have caused Toyota to focus on fixing that for 2014 models now hitting the lots. Presumably this issue is behind us now.
    (4) HOV incentives weakening- This really seems to push Prius sales in some areas (CA, NoVA, LI NY). Still good on NY LIE, CA gone except for PiP, VA grandfathered to prior owners - does cause some loyalty re-purchase to keep the tags)
    (5) Hybrid fee in VA
    (6) Federal incentives pushing Plug-Ins not hybrids

    Anyways I think 2014 could be good for Prius now that we seem to back in the "highly recommended" category of CR. I guess it'll be interesting to see CR annual auto issue.
     
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    here you go all the sales stats
    Toyota Prius Family Sales Figures - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
    Prius family down about 1% in 2013, that's a much smaller drop than 2007-2008-2009. Hybrid sales increased 14.1% in 2013. I'll leave it to you pundits to decide what it means. Obviuosly I offend people when I mention normal auto makret reasons.
     
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    AG I find that data highly interesting.
    Unbelievable years for Prius family both in 2012 and 2013, is my take.
    Although I cited plug-in incentives above as a negative for hybrids, I may need to take it back.
    Perhaps all the hoopla over plug-ins and EV has trickled down to those who feel hybrids are the better approach, despite the lack of incentives. Also gaso prices may be key factor.
     
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