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Smudge on the Digital Dash mirror!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by darelldd, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    When I took delivery of my Prius on 2/15, I noticed that there was a smudge that blurred the digital display (it is in front of the fuel gage, actually) that is high on the dash.

    Well, I've absently cleaned that area about three times since new, and it was always still blurry. I finally looked in there with a light. The smudge is on the MIRROR that reflects the info up into the dash. Seems a shame to take it in for this, and have somebody tear my entire dash apart to clean that one little bit of mirror - but then it also does bug me on a new $28k car to have to look through grime to see my gas gage! Damn.

    So... does anybody have any good news for me about how it could possibly be much easier to get to that mirror than I'm imagining? My GPS mount already spans the MFD frame and the dash... that'll have to come back off, I'm sure - as a minimum.

    Man.... :(
     
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    hah good question...now you got me thinking if mine has that.
     
  3. Allannde

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    When I saw your original post it occurred to me that the print might be on top of the mirror caused by someone who reached up there and touched it. If so it could be cleaned from the top without taking anything apart. Have you considered that?

    What makes me think of that is that when I hold my hand way up there I can see my fingers reflected on the same mirror with the speedometer.

    Did you say whether this was on the car when you got it new or came later? If it is in an extemely remote place, perhaps it is something which your dealer should fix for free.
     
  4. paprius4030

    paprius4030 My first Prius

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    I just sprayed windex on mine that cleared things up when i had a smudge there
     
  5. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Not sure I follow you. Wherever the print is, it cannot be cleaned from the OUTSIDE. There's the angled plastic "lens" that I can clean the outside of... and it APPEARS that the smudge is down on the mirror.

    Yes, the car was definitely delivered this way. If I can't get in there to clean it, I sure can't get in there to smudge it! And yes, I certainly assume this would be covered under warranty.
     
  6. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Sprayed Windex on your *what*? You can spray Windex on your gage mirror from outside the dash?

    I can clean the plastic angled lens just dandy. I can't reach the *MIRROR*... am I completely insane here, or just not understanding something????
     
  7. Allannde

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    Darell

    What is the "lens" and what is the "plastic lens"? This is not easy to communicate about. I suspect you are not insane THIS time. I know I was referring to the possibility that the print was made in a place where it could be easily reached for cleaning but your respose indicated that this was not so. Only you know if this is worth a special trip to the dealer or whether to put it off until the first service or other repair. I agree that there is going to be some instrument panel disassembly to get at that print. It must have happened on the assembly line.

    Allan de
     
  8. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Ah. My bad. The second instance of "lens" in the part you quoted should have said "mirror."

    I'm calling the plastic lens the thing that you bonk if you try to reach for the digital numbers. The lens is the part that's supposed to keep the smudges off the mirror, for example. The plastic lens is the ONLY thing I can clean - and then only the outside. This lens is not the problem. I've looked at every angle imaginable, and a dirty mirror seems to be the answer... My lens, however, is clean. I should probably be calling it a plastic "window" since it isn't acting as a lens at all. Just a protector - you know - to keep the smudge on the mirror from accidentally wiping off.

    But here's the rub. I've heard both here online, and via private communication that it is "easy" or at least "possible" to get in there and clean all that stuff without major disassembly. When asked for further clarification, I'm greeted with silence. Does anybody have any love for me here? :) Yup, I've got to make the decision about taking it in... and that's why I'm trying to figure out what might be involved. If there's a way I can do it here without full dash removal, I'm sure as heck going to skip the service visit!
     
  9. DaveinOlyWA

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    the lens is on the dash, the flat horizontal part. it reflects an image to the vertical mirror part. both areas are a tight fit, but i can access both. not very easily, but i was armouring the dash and accidentally sprayed the mirror. took a bit of work, but was able to get a wipe in there to wipe the drops off.
     
  10. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Dang. Lost me. This IS hard to describe in words. I have no idea of any horizontal "lens."

    And a vertical mirror!? Even more lost. The mirror I see is down there in the dash and appears to be at a 45 degree angle. But then maybe all these reflections are just playing tricks on me. Regardless - how are you cleaning ANYTHING behind the steeply-angled plastic part that I've been calling the lens? The part of the dash where the digital readout appears BEHIND.

    Here I can help. Don't use ArmorAll, if this is what you mean! Get yourself some 303... and since you're trying to help me here, you don't even have to thank me later. :)

    OK... here we go.
    [Broken External Image]:http://www.darelldd.com/ev/images/prius/interior_dash/prius_gps05.jpg

    What I'm calling the "lens" is the flat, but steeply angled plastic that you see here above the steering wheel and just below the bottom of the windshield. That is NOT horizontal or vertical. Somewhere inbetween. That I can clean just fine, as anybody with hands could. Just to the right of the red (seatbelt?) light is the digital display which is projected via mirrors into an image behind that "lens". On one of those mirrors (or perhaps something else) is a smudge that I cannot reach. HOW are others reaching in there? I've pulled up on the top dash plastic above the "lens" and I can clear maybe 1/4", but I'm afraid to go much further.

    Help?
     
  11. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    take a ruler or something, lay if flat on the dash and slide it slowly towards the lens area. you will see what i mean. eventually you will see the ruler reflected next to the set belt icon
     
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    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    actually, even better, do a search for "bug" on PC.

    about a year ago, a PC'er reported that a bug was trapped inside his dash and covered up the bottom part of the speedo numbers. he tried to get it out and couldnt thinking it was behind the vertical glass part (the part you look at directly). it was actually lying on the dash.

    we all had a good laugh over that one trying to figure out how the bug got inside the glass...
     
  13. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Dave wins! And... I actually AM insane it turns out. But that was caused by this crazy car. I finally found what you were talking about by looking into the car through the windshield! Surprise.

    Finally found that myster yhorizontal mirror! And... no surprises... it has this huge smudge on it. The good news is that I can touch it, and feel it... but hell if I can clean it. I don't know what's on there, but it is on there GOOD! I've tried my best glass cleaner with my best glass-specific micro fiber towel. And I've rubbed harder than I'm comfortable with. I've tried spit and a fingernail. It ain't moving! When it is wet, it is more transparent, and less noticeable... but as soon as it dries, I'm back to where we were. It seems to be some sort of adhesive or something. I'm certainly glad this won't mean tearing the dash apart though! Sort of an odd design leaving a mirror right there. I'm surprised more people don't have issues with that thing getting icky.

    Thanks Dave! Now... how do I clean Toyotagoo off it?! :)
     
  14. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    ohoh... sounds like errant epoxy or something... mine was easy to clean... good luck...
     
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    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    It doesn't have much topography, but I can feel the texture difference with my finger. The smudge spot has less traction than the clean mirror. But it sure isn't going anywhere. I'll leave it until daylight at this point, but now I'm thinking that mirror just may need to be replaced.

    Wow, when I look back at the posts everybody offered me here (with my new knowledge) the advice all makes sense now! I appreciate everybody's input... and guess I shouldn't blame you for assuming I was smart enough to know where that mirror REALLY was. :blink:
     
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    Now that you can reach it ( :p ), would a razor blade help remove the offending smudge?
     
  17. windstrings

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    Humm.. if its truly glass, you could try acetone or a razor.. but I would hate to make it worse by dissolving it........

    Your a smart guy.. let us know what worked!
     
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    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    Yeah, at this point I have to figure out if I should cut my losses and easily demonstrate that *I* am not the responsible mirror-screwer-upper here. If I go at it with an SOS pad at this point, I may have a tougher time arguing my point. :)

    I agree that solvent on a Q-tip and razor blade are the logical next steps, however... and I think I can try those with less than descructive results. This project sure would be easier if the windshield weren't in my way!
     
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    I haven't felt back there on mine yet...does it appear to be glass?.... if so... some acetone or solvent immediatley followed by a gentle razor blade may do the trick if its epoxy....... too bad you don't have a test area to try first. Why don't you call the service dept and ask for the service manager or the tech that messes with the prius's the most and pick his brain first...

    .Just tell them what your up against and impress to them that it will be a warranty issue, "since it appears to be epoxy", but that you'll be glad to address the problem if they give you some clues and it will save everybodys time if they help you.

    They may have some incentive to help you if theres nothing in it for them if you come in.
    You may catch some enlightenment thats worth the call.


    You are a handy enough guy that you could get yourself in trouble if your not careful... being that handy is good, but can be bad if you presume too much....."kinda like never looking at the instructions!" :lol:

    It never hurts to at least talk to the guys that mess with these all the time if you can.
     
  20. KTPhil

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    If it is plastic, any abrasion will permenently make it look MUCH worse.

    How about GOO GONE or similar cleaner? Use as little as possible (on a Q-tip, shaken) so you don't flow liquid into the guts of the display.