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Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by PriusRox, Feb 3, 2014.

  1. PriusRox

    PriusRox Junior Member

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    2003 has been running perfect for the last 6,000 miles, as I bought it used. It sat for 2 days in 55 degrees with rain. Started yesterday and ran rough initially throwing a #3 misfire code. It smoothed out and ran fine after. I drove a 1/4 mile and the red triangle and car/exlamation illuminated. I took it back to the house and checked coolant pump=good, radiator and resevoir levels=good, engine oil=good. So I reset the indicator with SGII and it was storing no codes. I took the car for a mile spin and everything functions perfect, but the triangle comes on within seconds. All SGII parameters are normal and difference between hi and low cell is .2v or less. Traction SOC goes to 63% and v was at 290. I checked the aux battery voltage at 12.3 with ign and vent fan on. Pulled the negative lead and reconnected. I have force reset the indication numerous times as it is storing no codes, and not illuminating CEL, but continues to throw the triangle. I'm stumped. Only thought, is there a tranny fluid level sensor that could be responsible?
     
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    The SGII will not read Prius specific codes, only standard engine and emissions. You need to have someone with a Prius specific scanner read the codes for you. In some areas places like Auto Zone, Advanced Auto, etc. will read it for you. Otherwise you may need to go to a Toyota dealership to read the DTC's for you so you know what is causing the fault messages to be triggered.
     
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    The Prius will issue a code if more than a certain number of misfires are counted. I believe after a certain number of start cycles the light will go out, or you can disconnect the 12 volt battery for a short while. This however will loose your radio presets and the drivers window self close (no big deal).
    The misfire was almost certainly caused by rain getting through the center joint on the plastic wiper housing dropping water onto the top of the engine and getting past the igniter seals to the spark plugs. These should be removed and dried out or igniter problems are likely to follow. Some black silicon sealant will cure the leak at the joint.

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    I agree John. I think the warning is a separate issue that happened as a coincidence. I just replaced the aux battery as a troubleshoot, and no change. The car operates normally otherwise. Looks like an aware scan is in order. Anyone near Clearwater, FL? Thanks.
     
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    If you have a windows laptop preferably XP or vista, get a mini VCI off Ebay or Amazon about $25. You can then do everything on the Prius.

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    Put your location in your avatar it really does help.

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    Just checked tranny fluid level and it's good. Cleaned throttle plate and flow sensor. Discovered it throws the triangle as soon as shifting out of Park, and in the last couple of starts the display is now black! It will display radio presets though.
     
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    Does disconnecting the 12 volt battery for a while clear the fault.

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    I replaced the 12v battery and if I remember right, the fault was cleared. I can force clear it with the SGII, but as soon as you shift it throws the triangle and flashing exclamation point and now goes blank screen.
     
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    You need to read the Prius specific codes. Get the VCI.

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    Sorry, I didn't see this yesterday. The SGII has an "XGAUGE" feature where if you enter the PID and format info for the vehicle-specific data, it will read them. We have all the XGAUGE data needed for reading the Prius-specific codes, HV ECU inf codes, battery voltages, etc. There's a central repository at sourceforge but at the moment it seems they've broken the view/download links in a recent upgrade (I've notified sourceforge). Until that's fixed, the needed XGAUGE info can be found by following this thread.

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    Hi Chap, yes I have programmed all valuble XGauge parameters. That's why I'm stumped. The car runs fine and all xgauge values are normal. It's not the aux battery as I did a swap with brand new yesterday. The original misfire code is clear and no CEL triggers. Very odd though, the display is now blank after numerous forced clearings of the red triangle. Today I drove the car 10 miles. I cleared the triangle at a stop light and the warning did not come back on until I was in the driveway idling. I'm tempted to have Toyota pull codes, although I don't know if there would be any? What direction should I go if setting up a VCI mini? I have Win7, and saw one on ebay that was compatible from Romania. Still stumped and thanks for any help.
     
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    Mellors Auto is not too far (Melbourne - 150 miles on the other side of FL) and are a Prius aware independent repair facility with a good reputation.

    mellor's automotive

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    So, I find a Craigslist add for a reman battery 15 minutes from my house. I called and asked if he could pull codes and he said yes. I drove the car over and had it scanned (not techstream or VCI), at some point he said it threw a P3009. He seemed knowledgable in all aspects of batteries/Prii/Hybrids. After deep probing the battery specs, he felt it was a spurious event and that the battery was generally in decent shape, but don't be surprised if it's on the way out. Didn't try to sell me anything or rip me off. Said he could install a new battery when the time comes and he can buy them from Toyota much cheaper. With a Gen1, he felt it was most cost effective if planning on keeping the car. He reset the master warning and the car is now "normal", and everything works. ...still stumped!
     
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    DTC P3009 means that the car has a high voltage ground fault. This could be at any place which is in contact with high voltage, including the traction battery, traction battery ECU, high voltage cable to inverter, inverter, MG1, or MG2. If that is the only hybrid system problem, the car can continue to be driven.

    Since your OP mentioned a cylinder 3 misfire, which I assume is DTC P0303, you should do something about that issue.
     
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    Hi Patrick, the misfire was for about 2 seconds after sitting in 2 days of rain. The engine ran smooth after that and I reset the CEL.
    As far as the 3009, that's what the shop guy told me also, and the car operated normally. I feel like I dodged a bullet on this one. (so far)
    This is the link to the shop if anyone local needs a tech.
    Used Cars St. Petersburg FL Used Pickup Trucks St. Petersburg - AutoMix Plus llc
     
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    My apologies. I did not realize that Vincent had developed the DTC XGauges for the Gen 1, though I am not surprised.

    Vincent also developed the ones that I am using for my Gen 3.
     
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    Most likely you will find the p3009 will be main battery corrosion or your transaxle is on its way out. If its your battery that does not mean that your battery is junk as such. It may benefit from a good cleaning and still run for a while.
     
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    What constitutes a good cleaning if this happens again? I know Toyota did the clean and seal in 2005. Is it possible this is the original battery? I'm currently getting 54 around town and 47 mixed driving. Thanks.
     
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    The battery can be functioning fine as a battery, but if it leaks electrolyte (KOH) "common with gen1 batteries" from around the bus bar terminals this can and does give an electrical path to ground thus issuing the DTC P3009. Cleaning the ends of the modules with a vinegar solution and drying well may well clear the problem, if indeed this is where the ground leak is. The problem may well return in the future as the leak progresses.

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