Tiny oil filter

It's about the same size as the AC Delco PF-59 oil filter I used in my 2000 GMC Sierra, which had a Vortec 5.3 litre V8. I've done a couple of used oil analysis on my Prius running Mobil 1 0W-30 and the Toyota filter, and there are no issues.

It isn't so much the size of the canister but the surface area of the media inside. Cut open one of those ugly POS orange Fram filters, say the 8A series, and it's mostly empty space and a cheap poorly constructed paper media.

 

Heh, heh. If you look at the cross reference for this filter, it is used in various tractor/mowers and small Kawasaki engines as well as a multitude of Toyotas.

 

It's not the size of the filter that matters, but the media in it. Said above. However, a large filter on a small engine is pretty stupid. Ford was putting large filters on everything up until about 10 years ago and then they started to change their filter sizes for different applications of vehicles. Case in point, Ford's classic cast iron 2.3L 4 cylinder used the same filter as their 351W and other V-8 engines. I'm not convinced that there was any better filtering, however today's Ford engines use filters which are specifically designed for the pressure, flow levels and overall quantity of oil in the system.

 

that filter fits half of all toyotas :lol:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayman @ Mar 2 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]219050[/snapback]</div>

Fram's are no good? Have you opened the Toyota and Fram filters for the Prius? Is there a difference? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks. I almost bought a bunch of Frams but the Toyota's were on sale $3.99.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Mar 6 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]221286[/snapback]</div>

and the other one fits the rest!

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phumpher @ Apr 4 2006, 10:38 PM) [snapback]235108[/snapback]</div>

I'm not jayman, but I'll answer that one.

Fram filters are made by Allied Signal. Allied is an ok company, but Frams, especially the regular orange box Fram filters are designed to be inexpensive to sell to retialers and as such something that they can sell cheeply and keep their price down and be competitive. A few web sites have qualitative reviews of filters and their innards and as such Frams don't hold up well when compared to other brands.

Purolator filters are made by Arvin-Meritor. Last time I checked Motorcraft filters came from Arvin-Meritor and as such were basically Purolator filters with Ford branding. I've used Purolator filters and recently the Purolator PureOne filters and have been very happy. Those same web sites that have cut open filters to see what their innards are like have been complimentary about Purolator.

Toyota filters are probably made by Denso domestically. Denso is an auto parts manufacturer that is very closely related to Toyota. They have large operations in the U.S. Folks that have torn apart Toyota filters also speek highly of them.

In general Toyota filters, Purolator filters, Mobil1, Bosch and other high grade brands generally have good interior construction, quality filter elements with sufficient pleating. The end caps on the elements will withstand blowing out and will remain intact in hostile conditions (pressure, heat, resistance). Most high quality filters have a backflow valve that has an effective spring and are made of a material that will continue to work even in very low temperatures or very high temperatures.

If I can find the link, I'll post it to the research that I found on http://www.corolland.com/

 

I believe there are only three Toyota filters out there, Big, Little, and Turbo, as they have come to be known in the shop. Things may have changed in the last few years, but I doubt it.

The "Turbo" and the "Little" are the same except the turbo is a hair longer.

Nate

 

FYI, I have used the 7G (2000-2005) Celica GT-S oil filter, left over my my previous car, on my Prius with no problem. The Toyota parts guy said it would fit, and it did. It is taller than the standard Prius filter we normally use, but the same diameter and threading.

 

I did some research and went with the WIX filter. It was about $6, buy has anti-syphon valve and good ratings on filter media. This was my first, non-Toyota service oil change and I also installed Mobil 1 Extended 5W-30. We have an oil lab at work, so I'll get the oil tested every 5,000 miles. The Fumoto valve work great for drawing oil samples.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phumpher @ Apr 5 2006, 12:38 AM) [snapback]235108[/snapback]</div>

I can't speak for other filters that would fit the 2004 Prius, as my dealer is competitive with pricing.

I can speak from experience with the 1989 Case tractor at my hobby farm and the 1984 Ford F-150 at my hobby farm. I've tried many different filters and after an oil change have cut the can to inspect the media. Especially for commercial equipment, it’s a good idea to inspect the media for tears and the presence of shavings or sludge.

I have found the regular cheap orange Fram filters to uniformly be of very poor construction quality. I suggest you buy one new and take it apart, they’re cheap enough. The filter media isn’t very dense, the ends are “sealed†with a cardboard material, and the anti-drain “valve†really isn’t one.

On my 1984 Ford F-150 with 302 V8, the media would often split and allow unfiltered oil into the motor. I quickly picked this up with used oil analysis and stopped using the cheap orange Fram filters. However I’m using the Fram Tough Guard filter with good results, it’s a completely different filter.

I had a similar experience with my 1989 Case tractor with a split media element. I’m currently using Baldwin or Wix filters on the tractor.

The Fram Tough Guard filter, with a white canister, are completely different: the media is different, much better constructed, with higher density. They also cost just as much as OEM so you might as well use OEM.

Last time I changed the oil on my Prius I took apart the Toyota filter: the media is very dense and interwoven. No particles that I could see, nothing was picked up by my magnet.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phumpher @ Apr 8 2006, 08:04 AM) [snapback]236718[/snapback]</div>

Unless you have access to a testing lab, where would you find those numbers? Fram and others won't tell you. You have to rely on a visual examination yourself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phumpher @ Apr 8 2006, 08:04 AM) [snapback]236718[/snapback]</div>

There is no need to be rude about this. If you don't like the answer provided, don't follow it. As far as I'm concerned, just put a bypass plate on your Prius and run no oil filter. Best of luck

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rocket @ Apr 4 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]235046[/snapback]</div>

Not the basic orange canister "extra guard," they're junk. The white canister "tough guard" are good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rocket @ Apr 4 2006, 09:43 PM) [snapback]235046[/snapback]</div>

Yes, I have. I've opened new Fram extra guard and the media is low density and usually held together with a string. The end caps are CARDBOARD. On my old Ford pickup and Case tractor, most extra guard media will split along a seam and allow unfiltered oil into the motor. Geez, come on.

I've taken apart a used Toyota Denso filter and the media is very dense and interwoven, holds up very well.

 

A PM from phumpher:

"Amazing,

You tell me not to be rude, but then, you're rude.

Any other pontificating you want to do?

Don't bother to respond, at this point I really don't care about you."

So our rookie member is perhaps a troll?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Begreen @ Feb 27 2006, 12:51 PM) [snapback]217389[/snapback]</div>

It is twice as big as the oil filter for the Honda Insight.

 

I've also had Fram filters not fit, even though they crossed on the parts dealer's list. It threaded on ok, but was longer and interfered with a linkage.

Tom

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Mar 6 2006, 06:06 PM) [snapback]221286[/snapback]</div>

I've been using 90915-YZZF2's on our Prius, but I noticed that the 90915-YZZF1 that
goes on my neighbor's RAV4 seems to be the same size, only taller. Does anyone know if that
would fit on a Prius and give a little more oil capacity?