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PCV Valve. Does it exist on Prius 2007?!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by gvp1995, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. gvp1995

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    I am approaching 100K and wanted to do some maintenance like changing fluids and such. One of the recommendations I read on this and other forums was to replace PCV Valve. To get a better price, I called around. Out of 3 dealerships, 2 told me it does not exist in this model. 1 gave me a quote. Then I went to yet another dealership to do the work, and the advisor there told me the same thing. He said: I doubt it exists, but I will confirm with technical stuff. While the car was in the service, he gave me a call back and said literally this: They told me there is no serviceable part such as PCV Valve on your Prius.

    So the question is does it exist on Prius 2007 or not?! If yes, could it be replaced? If yes, should it be replaced?

    Thank you in advance for any info in this respect
     
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    Welcome and of course it exists.

    It's on the side of the valve cover on the drivers side. Have to remove a few things to get to it although I have seen one or 2 posters saying they got it out without removing alot of parts. Like the relay box above it etc.

    While in there you'll see the pcv hose dumps into the back the the throttle body. Give the tb a good cleaning while your in there and since its probably never been cleaned before see how corroded the butterfly edge is and how freely you can rotate it via the spring loaded end. Alot of posters have ended up with stalled engines with a tow because they never cleaned it and the butterfly gets stuck in the bore from corrosion. That' around $1500 at the dealer.

    BTw, there is a direct relationship to how sooty the tb is and what kind of engine oil the car has spent its life on. If the engine has only seen crappy dino free Toyota service vat oil it will be quite sooty compared to say a life on Mobil 1.
    Your observations should prove this.
     
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    Yes, the PCV valve exists and should be replaced at 100K miles. It is hiding under the engine wiring harness that runs along the engine valve cover, near the inverter.
     
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    Thank you! I will definitely find a dealer, who knows about PCV Valve and replace it. Maximum that I risk to do in my Prius myself is air- and cabin- filters. So most definitely I will not be doing it myself. But what do you think should be fair price to replace it at the dealer's? Part price + hours of labor?

    On a side note, yes, I did use the standard Toyota oil change, so I assume my PCV Valve will not be in the great shape. But I plan to keep the car till 180,000 miles. So now it is in the middle (94,000). Since I already reached this point, should I start using better oil?

    And one more question. I spent some time (actually a lot of time) online, trying to figure what needs (and what needs not) to be done at 100K. Looking at this list, did I miss something important?

    - Coolant liquid (both)
    - Break liquid
    - Transmission liquid
    - Spark plugs
    - PCV Valve (be done soon)
     
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    A reasonable list, but may I correct your terminology to help you better communicate your requirements to the dealer's service writer:

    - Engine and inverter/transaxle coolant drain/replace
    - Brake fluid flush
    - Transaxle ATF drain/replace
    - Iridium spark plugs (could be deferred to 120K miles if you don't notice drivability issues)
    - PCV valve - might cost $150, $10 for the part and the remainder for labor
     
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    Great! Thanks very much
     
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    So the question is does it exist on Prius 2007 or not?!

    If you believe $2 bills and Eskimos exist then, yes, it exists. :D
     
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    To answer my own questions:

    1. Does PCV Valve exist on Prius 2007?
    Yes, I was able to buy it from Toyota Parts

    2. Can it be replaced?
    Yes, eventually I replaced it

    3. Should it be replaced?
    Big question mark here. Out of 6 dealerships in Southern California 4 did not know anything about it, one gave me a quote, and another one replaced the part. I spoke to multiple advisors and mechanics, and was told that they never replace this part. They also told me it is unlikely I can get stranded because of this. Each of them clamed they see 50 Priuses a day. The last one, who actually did the job, when I asked if I should do it, asked me: - As a preventive measure? And then looked at me, laughed, and said: Sure! I asked if he had ever saw PCV Valve broken? He answered: No.

    Of course, this does not mean anything, people can just don't know stuff, but the fact that in such place as Southern CA with arguably the most concentrations of Priuses, and the fact that II Gen is already 10 years on the road, meaning a lot of cars reached 100K miles, and more, and the fact that out of around 5 mechanics I spoke none suggested I should be doing it... My conclusion is: if you do it yourself, than it is cheap - $10. If you try to do it at the dealer's, it is expensive. Mostly in terms of trying to find someone, who knows and is willing to do the job. They charge 1 hour for this replacement.

    Another observation, in this thread was pointed that if I was using regular bulk oil from Toyota (which I did), the old PCV Valve should be in a bad shape. So I asked to give me the old part. It looks and sounds almost identical to the new one I gave them. No signs of corrosion or anything else.
     
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    Thanks for the update. I would not expect to see corrosion but I would expect that when the old valve is shaken, the sound will be somewhat dampened compared to a new valve, because of HC byproducts coating the valve interior.
     
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    Patrick didn't you or some other PC member place a little PCV tutorial (with pic's) here on PC? It seems like I used someone's Gen II tutorial 4 or 5 years ago.
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    Not a lot of talk about PCV valves on any other car forum I frequent. Alot here. Not like it was years ago where oil quality was poor and lot more crankcase vapor and nobody took care of there car yeah then the PVC would get gunked up. The ball gets gunked up.

    But a Prius is a very clean running car but I still believe running a high quality oil compared to the crap dino oil they use will result in much less crankcase vapor. Vapor is from the oil breaking down under high heat.

    After the car has run for a while and good and hot jump out quick and take the oil fill cap off. Thats crankcase vapor.

    The tell tale reveal on my suspicion would be how clean is the throttle body. The pcv valve dumps directly into the tb.
    If its all sooty and the butterfly edge is all corroded then there may be something to my supposition.

    Btw, your way way over due for a good throttle body clean anyway. Also if the car has spent its life on dino I would check the VVT oil filter. Tiny littler filter screwed into the side of the block under cylinder #1.
     
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    It did sound a bit different from the new one. But looking at the indirect statistics (the fact they have to do it very infrequent, if ever), I suspect it could run for the live of the car, at least for 180,000 miles I am looking to, even on the bulk oil.

    On the other hand, I replaced it, and it gives me a piece of mind :)
     
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    "Patrick didn't you or some other PC member place a little PCV tutorial (with pic's) here on PC? It seems like I used someone's Gen II tutorial 4 or 5 years ago."
    hill: Good memory. Here is my post, see #17 of following:
    pcv valve | PriusChat

    Here is galaxee's more comprehensive post:
    PCV replacement how-to with photos | PriusChat
     
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