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Will Continental Purecontact 195/65R15 fit a C?

Discussion in 'Prius c Main Forum' started by Anthro, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. Anthro

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    I'd like to go to wider wheels and tires, and the reviews of the Purecontact with Ecoplus are great. I'd prefer 195/60/15, but the smallest it comes in is 195/65/15.

    Another thread says this is ok on a liftback, but will it work on a C?

    Thanks.
     
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    FWIW, I did Yokohama Avid Ascend 195-60-15 on 15X6 wheels. Nice LRR tire priced right at Discount or TireRack. Good reviews and warranty. No effect on fuel mileage.
     
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    Thanks Otbiker. I guess 195/60/15 will be the way to go (probably with Procontact w Ecoplus, since Purecontact doesn't come in a 60).
     
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    The 195/65x15 tires are an inch greater diameter than OEM 175/65x15's and the extra weight farther from the hub means the engine has to work harder to turn the wheels and in our experience will cost you about 3 to 4 mpg.
    The less rolling resistance tires are a good choice if you're willing to give up cornering ability; those tires have measurable loss in lateral traction. Personally, don't see they offered much advantage in my driving but then I drive like my Prissy is a car.
    Plus the added width and greater diameter have a good chance of rubbing even on OEM wheels.
    And 185/60x15 tires are just barely less diameter than OEM (23.74vs 23.97") so the extra weight of the 185/60 tire at a small reduction in rolling diameter means the torque is more even and the eco tire mpg improvement should work well on the eco tire.
     
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    Thanks mahout!

    Looks like I should (if I want wider wheels & tires) stay with a 60R tire--which Procontact, though unfortunately not Purecontact, offers. As for weight, the wheel I have in mind is an Enkei RPS 15x7, which at 9.5 lbs is probably around five lbs lighter than my stock alloys (I'm guessing--no one seems to know exactly). The Procontact at 18 lbs apparently is about a pound heavier than my Turanza EL400s, so I should still lose about 4 lbs / wheel in un-sprung weight. (What I'm looking for (following Ryephile the Technophile, who also was going to 195/60/15 for his C) is better adhesion, plus I think a little better ride.)
     
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    Everyone should be aware that the weight of the tire is far more important than the weight of the wheel. The farther from the axle hub the more torque it takes to turn - or slow - a wheel and tire. typically a 1 lb savings in tire weight is equal to a 4 lb savings in wheel weight. Wheel weight matters to racing but on the street its not very cost efficient.
    Typically, the lower the section height ratio the rougher the ride; shorter sidewalls are, as you would expect, less tolerant of bumps..
    If you're going for adhesion pay attention to the lap times in TireRacks testing. The lower they are the better they corner. Otherwise see what local autocross winners are using for even better advice.
    cheers.
     
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    Thanks again mahout.

    Yes, I had looked at Tire Rack's results for combined road manners and dry/wet track, and for dry/wet track alone, in three tire categories, before settling on Procontact.

    In Standard Touring tires, the Procontact was equaled (7.2) only by the Defender in combined. It apparently was very nearly equal in dry track to both the Defender and Assurance, and clearly superior to them in wet track and snow (and superior to the Avid Ascend in all three). In Eco-focused All-season, it led its competitors--EP 422, Assurance, & Avid Ascent--in all three categories: combined, dry track, and (markedly) in wet track. In Eco-friendly All-season, it was neck and neck with the Hydroedge in combined (6.71 to 6.73); was "right on its heels" in dry track; and in wet track had "clear leadership." So both its road manners and track times are at or near the top in tests for all three categories (Standard Touring, Eco-focused All-season, and Eco-friendly All-season.

    I think comparing the effects of wheel weight & tire weight involves at least two issues--unsprung weight as well as the rotational energy that you address. For unsprung weight, the combination I have in mind saves four pounds per wheel-tire unit, which should help both with both ride and adhesion. As for rotational energy, by your x4 formula I'll come out even, since the Procontact is only a pound heavier than my stock 165/65/15 EL400s, which, times four, equals my wheel + tire saving. And I can't think that the extra pound in four tires would in any case (i.e., even without the 5-lbs-lighter wheels I plan) be significant for vehicle acceleration and braking, compared to total vehicle weight. Total additional effective rotational mass by your formula here would be 16 lbs, or .0064 of the empty vehicle weight of 2,500 lbs, so it seems unlikely to be important

    As far as sidewall height, it's about the same that I have (175/65/15 compared to 195/60/15).

    I agree that the lighter wheels aren't "cost-effective" for the street (e.g., in gas savings); but if I were going for sheer cost-effectiveness, I'd take the bus.
     
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    I have looked at Tire Rack using 185/60R15 the size of my winter tires - the General Altimax RT43 is at the top of its category and gets basically 9's or better in all categories - was best in the road test also and a price about 1/3 less than the Turanza 400's my C Two came with.
     
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    Long as you don't change the wheel offset you should be OK but you will have to watch for really hard bumps. It will raise your ride height by an inch and make your prius easier to tip over uin a corner. We measured a set here but ...
    Why do you want to use larger and heavier tires? it will decrease mpg even after correcting for miles driven and lessen acceleration, which is leasurely at best OEM. Adding 4 lb ft to the rotational energy required to rotate the wheel/tire with have a serious effect on the torwque available to a C. And the drop in acceleration will be worse.
    There are much better choicesm, for example 195/55x16 Proxes T1R's.