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Weird incident this morning

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by PriusGuy32, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. PriusGuy32

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    I readied my Prius and was backing out my driveway. The ICE started and was misfiring very badly, sounded like it was barely running, making all kinds of clatter :eek:
    I stopped, put the car in park, and the idle was very rough, sounded like it was trying to clear itself from being flooded. There were no warning lights or blinking check engine lights, so I drove off.

    Heres where things get freaky. If I accelerated any more than 1/4 of the gas pedal, the car would buck and the ICE would shut off completely. Then when I let go of the gas, the ICE would start back up. If i feathered the gas lightly, the ICE would stay running. After the car warmed up, this behavior disappeared.

    I also noticed my MFD was showing the HV battery at all green bars, all the way to the top :confused: It would always show a charge going to the HV battery. My brakes also felt very strange. At times they were very spongy, other times they were hard and grabby. My instantaneous mpg's were in the 10-20mpg range during this whole episode. By the time I got to work, my avg mpg dropped 5mpg total.

    I dont know what exactly happened. Looking for answers from the board. Techstream revealed absolutely no DTC's in any of the areas (sans solar sensor).

    Even though Ive cleaned my throttle body, does this sound like my throttle body plate was sticking? I took off the air filter assembly and looked down the TB throat, and its not very dirty at all.
     
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    In the past 2 weeks, what have you done to your car?
     
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    Gassed up at Sams Club this past Saturday. Changed transmission fluid. Checked my air filter this morning when I got to work, after this weird behavior. ICE oil level is about 1/8" below the top full dot. Drove the car ~150 miles over the weekend, no problems until start up today.

    I went home on my lunch hour to grab my laptop and mini-vci cable. The ride was unremarkable. Normal start up and operation at that point.

    Oh, and about 2-3 weeks ago, I replaced my 12v battery with a Yuasa TrueStart from my Toyota Dealer and repaired my block heater cord (replaced the 120v plug end as it was found to be open)
     
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    Maybe it's the cold weather..........No DTCs, good sign. :)
     
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    Ok whew. Im hoping it was a 1 time fluke.

    I just remembered - last night I moved the Prius around in the driveway, and pretty much right when the ICE started, I shut the car off. Maybe that had something to do with it? Left over unburnt fuel?
     
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    There is a problem with 3rd-gen prii that can occur when starting the car in really cold weather, particularly if it was briefly started up and not allowed to warm up fully previously.

    However, I have never heard of this problem in a 2nd gen prius, which your 2007 would certainly be.
     
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    Yeah, Ive read about the intake manifold/moisture/fuel TSB on the Gen3's. Ive never experienced this with my Gen2 and Ive had it 1.5 years/25,000 miles.

    I almost panicked and thought it was something to do with me changing the trans fluid over the weekend. However, I feel this was an ICE issue, not a trans issue.
     
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    I have come across the same situation on my car a couple of times, and both times I had moved the car the knight before, and neglected to press the EV button "standard in the UK". The engine running for just seconds. The problem is almost certainly excess fuel in the manifold. Traditional cars would probably not start under these conditions "being flooded", but the Prius spins the engine at such speed to start up it does start but is very rough.

    John (Britprius)
     
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    If the problem repeats, it would be good to have Mini VCI available to see what the engine ECU reports as cylinder misfire count.

    Was the car parked outside and rained upon, the prior evening? Maybe there was some water moisture in a spark plug well, which dissipated after the engine warmed up.
     
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    Thats another thing that alarmed me - there hasnt been any precipitation in our area for at least a week. But Ill take that theory and run with it. :D

    I found it strange that if I pressed the gas even slightly more than to move the car at a snails pace, the ICE would shut down and once I let go of the gas, it would restart, lol. Usually its the opposite!
     
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    Hi PriusGuy. I don't think it could possibly have anything to do with your ATF change.

    Are you sure you didn't run the engine for a very short period last night? As others have said, this can result in a type of "flooded" situation the next time you start. Other than that it might be worthwhile checking the area around the spark plug wells and that all the ignitor connectors are on tight.
     
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    Thanks Uart. Yes, I stated above that I moved the car in the driveway last night. The Prius started and I shut it off moments later. This morning, it felt and sounded like it was clearing itself from a flood situation and I figured it might've been from turning it off last night right after I started it. However, the weird behavior continued on most of my 15 minute drive to work. Who knows... no DTC's on Techstream, and because it was time, tonight I cleaned the MAF and throttle body real good. Either were very dirty but I figured might as well clean it while Ive got the time and motivation:D (boating season starts soon!)

    Patrick - today I checked my misfire monitor on Techstream and I now have 2 events. That wasnt there the last time I hooked up my mini-vci (a week or two ago?) so that might have been from this morning.
     
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    Ok, I missed that post. :eek:

    Yeah I bet that's all it was. Maybe the other issues were just you being extra vigilant and noticing more stuff? Either that or the initial anomaly temporarily sent one of the ECUs into "Wth mode". :p
     
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    Ha. Ive read about that super secret mode here before... :D

    Ok as along as the board thinks its nothing to worry about. Ill drive on!
     
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    I know what the problem is. You have been talking about a new Prius. Trust me, your car listens - they all do. :D

    More than likely it was because you started the engine last night and it did not warm up completely. Happens all the time with the ICE, not just the Prius.

    Chances are since you cleaned the MAF and the throttle body, you will probably be ok now. Maybe run some Shell or Chevron through it and see if that helps.
     
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    It seems like a flooded motor would clear out sooner than described and a stuck throttle plate motor would throw a code. Bad gas is a possibility.
     
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    I considered that too, I had gassed up the day before at Sams Club.

    I ended up doing a thorough cleaning of the throttle body and cleaning my MAF sensor. It not idles much smoother and I havent had any repeat incidents. (y)
     
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    This was the first thing that came to mind but you can add a can of Seafoam to help with any water that was in the fuel. Typically you will see misfire codes (P030x) along with it too.


    OP, can I assume the tranny fluid change used the Toyota WS fluid as well?

    Usually I also clean the throttle body with an old toothbrush then when I am done I use just a tiny bit of WD40 on the pivot points of the butterfly. This helps loosen up any carbon that might prevent it from opening smoothly.
     
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    :eek: No.. I was never told to use WS transmission fluid, I thought I was fine using generic ATF from the gas station on the corner:

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    Today when I drove the Prius, Im getting smoke and grinding from the transaxle. I pulled into my driveway at work at the VSC, check engine, and a few other lights came on the dash along with a red car in the corner of my MFD with an exclamation point over it. This is stupid, this is all Toyota's fault and I knew I should've bought a Chrysler product.....:mad: :mad:











    Of course, Im kidding!!!!! April fools :p :LOL:

    I used just under 4 quarts of Toyota WS fluid that I bought from my Toyota dealer with a 20% off coupon from their website (y)

    Every since changing the ATF (2nd change at 80,000 miles) and thoroughly cleaned the throttle body and MAF sensor (it was due anyways), its been running great.
     
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    You dońt need to use the wrong tranny fluid on a Chrysler to get grinding noises with lots of smoke. :D
     
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