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2004 Prius failing battery....replace or sell as is?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Xtgirl, Apr 11, 2014.

  1. Xtgirl

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    Hi everyone,
    I've read a bunch of threads regarding ways to replace the hybrid battery. We have 150,600k on the car and live in Northern Va Near DC. We got the lights and took it into a mechanic who said there are multiple codes indicating hybrid battery failing and some codes for the Cooling fan associated with the battery....I may not be getting the wording completely correct as my husband is dealing with it as I'm on TDY for the Air Force. My question is this...as much as it pains me to ask this...how do we cut our losses and get the most money for this vehicle? I believe the repairs needed are more than the car is worth. Besides replacing the battery, we definitely need to replace a water pump(not the one under recall). It needs new tires, new front brakes, and we've never had any other repairs done on the car so we are uncertain what it's future is. It really bothers me to think that after 150k it's basically now worth $0. I expected to drive it into the ground but I didn't think it would be so soon. Do we sell it to a salvage yard, a person for parts, or try to trade in with the codes blaring significant problems? I thought about trying the ReInvolt replacement but the car still may not be worth the expense of replacing the battery. We would still be looking at buying another hybrid for the HOV perks and gas mileage but this situation makes me gun shy:(
     
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    It's been 10 years and 150K miles.
    It's been a good run.
    Don't throw money away on trying to keep it going at this point.

    For the most part, those people who run their cars to 300,000 miles take meticulous care of everything and do most of their own work.

    Since you don't seem to fit either of those categories.......I say let it go.
    Oh, and it's less hassle to trade it in; maybe a LOT less.
     
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    If you put the car in your local craigslist, you shouldn't have a problem getting $3000 for it, even in it's present condition. Just list it as not running and that should be all that's needed.
     
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    Wow, really....someone would take it for 3k..that would be amazing! Also, the first commenter was right we have not taken meticulous care of it. My husband thought a dealer would give us zero dollars in its current condition or get us on the other end of the deal(new car price negotiation)...not true?
     
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    I wouldn't trade it in, sell it on craigslist. I would list it for $3999 and see what offers you get. One member just bought a broken one recently for $3700 and thought she "stole" it from the seller.
     
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    Dealers are in business to make the most money they can........in most cases, any way that they can.
    There is an upper limit on price though with the MSRP right there on the sticker.

    Beware of add-on fees and "dealer extras".
    Sometimes they will give you a really good price on your trade, which really amounts to the ultimate discount they would be willing to give you IF you were a hard sell.

    If you really want to know what your trade is worth to them, negotiate the best price you can and then throw in the trade at the last minute.
     
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    May I ask what would make someone pay that much for a car that edmunds says isn't worth more than 2.5k trade in if it didn't have the large problem...I probably should have mentioned that earlier. I am curious. Cosmetically, it's not a prize. Why do people buy them? It does have a nav system and other nice features. And thanks for all your input everyone:)
     
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    taxi services would buy them, traveling sales people, even mechanics and battery rebuilders buy them. they don't really care the cosmetics much. the car is worth more than you think. don't go by kbb or edmunds in this situation.
     
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    Any car is going to need the tires, brakes, and water pump replaced eventually. Cars are expensive, that's all there is to it. Its pretty rare to be able to truly drive a car into the ground without putting at least a little money into maintenance.

    Now, for replacing the battery, I would do a little more research and diagnostics to be sure the battery really needs replaced. How old is the 12v battery? Is it in good shape? Do you or the previous owners have dogs or other hairy creatures that ride in the back seat, which can clog the battery cooling fan with hair as the intake is on the right side of the back seat.
    Its definitely not worthless in any case, but it might just be a relatively simple/cheap problem. You could even get $300-500 at a junkyard or scrapyard if you don't want to mess with it anymore.
     
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    I am a dealer in Tampa and only deal in gen II Prius. I would buy your car if you decide to go that route but I highly recommend find a battery from a salvage yard or a quality re-builder and install it. You will get many more years out of this car still. While you have it apart you should clean the battery cooling fan. That may be the root of your problem.
     
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    Try selling it on e-bay, or trade it in for a new car.
     
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    As others have said, the car is worth more than you think. If you want to make payments on a new car, do it and sell the broke one on Craigslist.

    OTOH, if you want to cut costs as much as possible, get the battery replaced and then do the maintenance work you mentioned. Throw some tires on it and good to go for another 40K minimum. Check out all of your options on the battery. You can spend anywhere from $500 to $3500 depending on how you handle it.

    A dead traction battery does NOT equal a JUNK Prius!

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    It wouldn't hurt to list the car on Craig's List to see what happens. I personally think that a non-working Prius in poor cosmetic condition will command a low sales price. There are no clues to make the prospective buyer think that the car has been cared for, so why assume the repair cost risk unless the purchase price is extremely low. It would be great if the OP is able to sell the car as-is for a four-digit price.

    If the OP cannot get what she considers to be a fair price, then she can look into a lower cost repair for the traction battery such as module replacement. The Reinvolt alternative is one of the higher-priced repair options but does offer a longer warranty in exchange for that price price.

    There are other options priced in the high-three digits that may get the car running long enough to be sold. For example, look for a local provider who can perform a similar service as the following string discusses:
    Battery Replacement Tale | PriusChat
     
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    So soon? Doesn't sound like you've been putting much into regular maintenance at all, and you still got a decade and 150,000 miles out of the vehicle. Sounds to me like you did exactly what you expected to do...drive it into the ground.

    If you had kept up with some of the other smaller maintenance fires, such as the tires, water pump and brakes, then today the decision might be easier.

    All I can really offer, is what I think I would do if I was in your situation. Since we are not dealing with a Prius that is otherwise in great shape, I think I would be motivated to trade it in or sell it. If you had said, that you've kept up with all the other "regular" maintenance items and the vehicle was otherwise running great? I might recommend investing into a rebuilt battery and keeping it. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

    But really only you are the once that can know your budget. You're not going to get a significant amount of money for a Prius that is "Right Now" in need of a hybrid battery.

    It's economical to keep a vehicle a long time. Almost the most costly repair in any vehicle is going to be less than buying a new vehicle. At that age sometimes it becomes what is the vehicle in running condition worth to YOU. Not really what is it is worth on the open market.

    Anyway, regardless of which road you take, there really is not a wrong answer here. Just two different options.

    If my budget allowed it, I think I could be persuaded easily at this time to try to sell or trade in, as is.

    If I couldn't really afford to do that right now? Many of the numerous battery replacement options might give you an extended amount of time to continue to drive the vehicle into the ground.

    Good Luck.
     
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    Thanks for all of the advice. I appreciate it and the candor. We are looking at selling it, although it's a hard decision. I personally don't want a car payment, but hubby would like the security of having us drive something newer. The truth is we've been lucky and haven't had to put too much into the car. The water pump issue was found during the water pump recall and
    we didn't trust the dealer to be telling the truth when they
    quoted us almost 600 dollars to replace it. Another place said they would do b it for 350ish and that it wasn't in imminent need of repair but should be replaced down the road before a long trip. The tires
    and brakes both recently passed inspection but are needing replacement. I don't suppose with the codes that say the hybrid battery is failing that cleaning the fan out could just be the issue correct? I've read a bunch but it sounds like replacing modules would be a little more difficult diy and could be a crapshoot (although n less expensive one) I feel we could handle this if the price made sense.
     
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    if you had just done the tyres and brakes and water pump, would you feel differently about the battery issue?
     
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    Probably not, but it would not hurt to try that. There is a post on PriusChat about how to do that service.

    If you decide to keep the car for a while longer: Regarding the engine coolant pump, you need to form your own opinion about how bad the leak is. Look at the pump bearing for a pinkish or whitish residue. In bad cases, this residue will deposit on the air conditioner compressor or will even spray up onto the inside of the hood. Look at how quickly the coolant level drops in the overflow reservoir. Also check the coolant level in the radiator itself to make sure the radiator is totally full. You may decide that the pump replacement can be deferred if the pump bearing has a very slow leak.

    I have posted about how to replace the engine coolant pump. This can be done for an expenditure of less than $100 in parts and coolant, but does require some skill in wrenching.
     
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    Have you sold anything lately via online ads ??

    Be VERY careful if you do that.
    There are a million scammers scanning for new ads every hour.
    The first immediate responses you get will likely be bogus.

    And if you could get close to the same price by trading it in, why would you want
    the extra hassle (and some small degree of danger) involved with screwing around with a private sale ??
     
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    All good points. If I had done all the other work, I might have felt more obligated to keep the car and fix the battery. All signs are pointing me towards selling Iand getting what we can for it.i've actually had a couple offers to sell it from here and if that doesn't work out well we'll try the craigslist/trade in route. Craigslist can be sketchy but hopefully we will find an enthusiast. Thank you!
     
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    If we needed to trade it in (thus driving it to a dealer) do you clear the dash lights by unhooking the 12 volt? I heard that helped make it driveable for a little while longer. ..true?