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Replaced 12v battery-still no start

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by aopisa, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. aopisa

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    Hello-

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    I just replaced the 12V battery with an Optimus yellow top. The car still will not start. All dash lights come on, READY light does not. Car will only shift into Park and Neutral.

    Battery reads 12.6 volts when not hooked up and 12.3 when cables attached to terminals.

    I do not have a way of checking codes.

    Just wondering if I am missing something or there is something else I should try.

    Thank you.
     
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    check your 12v voltage. some optima's need a charge when new.
     
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    Without being able to get codes.. Check all fuses under the steering column area and in the engine compartment fuse block.
     
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    12.6 when not hooked up.

    12.3 when terminal cables attached.
     
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    kinda low for a new battery, but should work i think.
     
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    When I go to start the car I can hear something like a relay click. The Ready light flashes for a second then goes off. Then all the dash lights come on including the big red triangle.
     
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    Doesn't seem like a battery issue. Check your oil level first. Disconnect the battery negative again, reconnect after 10 seconds. Then press the brake HARD, hold and press the start button

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    Thanks, I have already done this about a dozen times hoping for a change, but no its a no go.

    However, I think you are correct. When I first installed the new battery this morning I at least had the Ready light on, but all the other dash lights stayed on. I was able to rev the engine a little too. After that, nothing. I don't think it likes this new Optima.

    I was also able to move it under very diminished power about a week ago. So, I do think that it can and will run. I have another battery I can try, but will not be able to get to it until tomorrow.
     
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    I don't think it's your battery. I'm suspecting it's the brake light switch. You would need the codes read or take a gamble and buy another switch

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    Well, it was the battery. Drained the old one because I left the car sit too long. It ran and started just fine before that. Could be a coincidence that the brake switch has failed at the same time. I deal with working on my 1977 VW bus a lot and rarely find coincidences like multiple failures as tempting as those hypotheses may be, so I am a bit suspect that this is the case.
     
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    But it shouldn't be your battery now since it's new and you are measuring 12.6 volts. You can try charging it up and see what happens. Are you sure your connections to the battery are tight? Check the negative connection that bolts to the car body.

    Did you double check all the connectors are connected? If your car was running fine and you just replaced the battery, all should be fine unless there's a loose connection or forgotten connection. I once forgot to plug back the brake supply power assembly, maybe you did as well?
     
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    if you were 'able to move it under very diminished power', it sounds like something is seriously wrong. all the 12v does is power up the computers. the hybrid battery starts the ice.
     
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    Thanks everyone for your help so far.

    So, here is the entire story.

    Parked the car for several weeks and the battery ran down. Car started fine. Started driving it and all the dash lights came on. Figured it was the battery since I have been here before. It was only reading 11 volts or so.

    Several day later I needed to move the car a few feet. It started but labored to move.

    A local Prius lover convinced me that the Optima was the way to go. I don't know as I think my original (replacement) battery probably just needed to be topped off. When I went to install the negative to body connection, the ring terminal broke. Installed a new ring terminal, but I really have to contort the wire to get it to sit right with the Optima. I have cleaned all terminals and contact surfaces. I have a feeling that something is not right with that negative cable.

    The first time I started the car, it did start with the Ready light steady on. I could rev the engine, but it seemed a little weak. All other dash lights were still on. I did not attempt to drive it. Upon further starting attempts the Ready light would only flash for a second while I heard a click to
    engage sound. The car will only shift into neutral or park.

    I have the other battery on a trickle charge and will see if that makes a difference tomorrow.

    I don't think I left anything out.

    I chased a demon on my 77 VW all last summer. The engine kept cutting out and losing power. It finally turned out to be the negative battery cable to the body was not making good enough contact. The primitive fuel injected system is very sensitive to voltage deficits.
     
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    how many miles on her? i think you'll chase a lot fewer demons (or at least catch them sooner) if you get the codes read. low/no ice power could be many things i suppose. fuel, injectors, air flow sensor, plugs, the list is almost endless. i don't think it's the hybrid battery though, what does the gauge tell you?
     
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    107K. I have a friend who will bring his code breaking device in the next few days.

    The hybrid gauge was showing about half full earlier today.
     
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    You should go to the dealer and get yourself a new negative cable and bolt it securely to the car's body. That sounds to be your problem

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    I hope that is it. I ordered a new cable from the dealer. I like to start simple and work from there.

    A friend is loaning me a code scanner. I should be able to pull the codes later today.
     
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    Do an ECU ID Registration. Same problem I had. Scanner won't pick up the trouble code. Here are the instructions:

    8. ECU COMMUNICATION ID REGISTRATION (TRANSPONDER KEY ECU - HYBRID VEHICLE CONTROL ECU): PROCEDURE "E"

    NOTICE:

    • If the transponder key ECU and/or hybrid vehicle control ECU has been replaced, register the ECU communication ID to both ECUs in order to match their IDs.
    • The hybrid control system cannot be started unless the ECU communication ID matches.
    • When the transponder key ECU has been replaced, do not turn the power switch from ON to OFF 20 times or more consecutively. The ECU communication ID must be registered before such an occurrence or the transponder key ECU will need to be replaced. If the transponder key ECU is unable to be recognize the hybrid vehicle control ECU, the hybrid control system will be unable to be started. If the transponder key ECU cannot recognize the hybrid vehicle control ECU, the transponder key ECU must be replaced again with a new one.
    • After the registration, pressing the power switch may not start the system on the first try. If so, press the poser switch again.
    • After the hybrid control system is started, erase DTC B2799 (code for hybrid vehicle control ECU's immobiliser communication error) using either of the following:
    - Using the intelligent tester [​IMG].

    - Disconnect the battery for 30 seconds.

    (a) Register the ECU communication ID.

    (b) Using SST, connect terminals TC and CG of the DLC3.

    SST: 09843-18040

    [​IMG]

    (c) Turn the power switch ON (IG) (do not start the hybrid control system) and leave it as is for 30 minutes.

    (d) Turn the power switch OFF and disconnect terminals TC and CG.

    (e) Check that the hybrid control system starts.
     
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    The pictures below are for b) above.

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    This def sounds to me like the new battery is not making good contact and is therefore not providing enough power to actuate all the ECU's. Keep your troubleshooting simple. Most of the problems I have encountered are very basic and thinking too hard will lead you astray.
     
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