Is Aqua and Prius C are same cars?

How does one drive 20 MPH - 30 MPH for 600 to 800 miles without being killed?

 

Stopping at red lights is a good start

 

I've owned my PC2 for a year and a half now and the best tank of gas I've ever gotten is a little over 60. I average around low 50s, despite my frustrating efforts to consistently do better. Yes, I can get the high 60s to low 70s 10-mile jaunt around town every now and then, but only when the PC has sufficiently warmed up, my drive is long enough, and the speeds are kept to less than 45 MPH.

My parents own a Camry Hybrid that's rated for 43/39 city/Hwy and they have yet to obtain that on a real tank full. When I drive and hypermile it, the best I can get in the city is high 40s.

I would gladly bet you $1000, and provide you with detailed proof, that nothing substantial can be done to help me increase my MPG in either vehicle.

My point? It's clear to me that the 50mpg for the PC and 40 for the Camry aren't conservative numbers. I think they're pretty spot-on actually, and even Fuelly backs this up. If I can't get much more than 55 MPG that surely there are more aggressive drivers out there not getting more than 45 MPG. Thus the numbers average out. If I had a delivery job around town wheree I could keep my PC warmed up often, drive less than 40mph, keep the windows opened in 70-degre weather, and not be overly concerned about time schedules, sure I could avg 70mpg like you too.

 

Farfle,

Low 50s lifetime MPG sounds pretty good to me, and I hope to you too.

Yep, those are indeed important parameters, although you cannot P&G at 45 mph in a Prius 'c'. Perhaps there are still some hypermiling tricks you are not yet taking advantage of.

 

Wow. That's foul mouthed? Had I actually said the words that's one thing. But I purposefully didn't so as to not rile up people.

I was actually using that to clarify if you were saying it was an average. I don't really care if you want to prove it or not. If you are able to do it, sure okay. If you say so. I'm not too concerned about it. Especially not enough to put money on it. But, nobody else has been able to do it for an entire tank, so congrats, you're the best V driver out there.

As far as the Japanese cycle is concerned, you are right, that's the "best" case scenario, so yeah, again, congrats, you must be the best V driver out there. But then again... YMMV and the fact that you are letting it get to you so much is an indication of something... I'm just not sure what.

But if you think I have offended you, I apologize for that. It wasn't my intention. I'm not going to throw money down as MPGs can be doctored extremely easily, especially with motivation. Shoot, for $1000 I'd be willing to map out the best route that is all downhill and have a friend with a flat-bed haul me back up the hill and repeat. Just to clarify, I'm not saying you would cheat, so please don't take offense, again. It isn't worth my time, but if you feel it is worth yours to drive a 70 mpg full tank in a V, congrats. I just won't believe it possible until I see it, sorry. But to be clear, that's not on you, just that I have a hard time believing in a lot of things that are extremely hard to prove.

 

Correct, sitting in traffic will drop your average speed, Orenji. So if you are driving at a steady 45 but get stuck at a lot of red lights your average can drop to 30 pretty easily.

 

Miscommunication it seems. In the future I will match your language and tell you that you are full of shit when I want to clarify something.

Here is what I said in the last couple of days in threads you and I were active:

 

Cool story bro. Glad you told it again and glad you're angry enough to feel the need to cuss. Vulgarities aren't necessary.

 

Oh ? Not my intent Bro. I'm just trying to talk the way you do for clarity. Perhaps I should have said: Your posts not vulgar ? That is bullshit.

I had a reason to take the car out for a test spin after changing the ATF. I zeroed the trip 'A' meter before I pulled out of the driveway. Beautiful day, 76F. The car had been sitting for close to a week, and overnight so the engine probably cooled down to about 60 - 65F. I drove about 15 miles, first out of my suburban neighborhood and then through town. I returned home by country roads most of the way. Final MPG on the meter is 72.4 although IIRC the battery meter is now one bar less than when the trip started.

I'll grab a photo with my wife's iPhone when it is available. If I am feeling truly bored I'll try to convince my wife to take a ride with me duplicating this trip so that she can photograph the car's display and consumption meter every minute or so. The iPhone adds location and time metadata to each photo so that you can look for any signs of cheating.

And that will be the end of my (probably futile) attempt to document the obvious to any experienced Prius driver, but "bullshit" and a "lie" to a couple of forum newbies.

Addendum:
Photo as promised.
Please note: this is not a photo of my best ever MPG trip kept around for bragging rights. It is simply this mornings ride taken to check the car out after I exchanged the ATF. This is the fuel economy I expect from my Prius Vagon any time I take it out for a 10+ mile ride in temperate weather in small town or small city driving where aggression is not the order of the day and I can P&G quite a bit as the terrain allows. There are stop signs and signals but certainly fewer than a big city, and these can usually be planned for to minimize braking and avoid friction braking.

 

Except that I never cussed. I said BS, which is not a cuss word. It can mean a magnitude of things. Such as Bull spit for people like me that feel that cussing is only necessary when you're angry. I'm sorry you're angry.

Again, I never said that 70's weren't doable in a V on short trips. That's what I was trying to convey. If you're filling up and can show me a tank, go for it. If the wife doesn't happen to be with you, don't worry about it. You're getting way too worked about this. Again, congrats on being the best V driver out there and please watch your language.

 

You are full of it. That *could* mean you are full of shit, or maybe it means you are full of water ?

I'll only trouble myself to document a tank MPG with good reason. A $1000 wager would be adequate. As for this mini-demo, you are wrong in thinking that a short(er) trip is easier to gain high MPG than a long(er) one. The warm-up penalty weighs more the shorter the trip. If I was not obvious, this trip started at my home and ended at my home. Net zero elevation change and almost certainly no wind advantage. I do live at 6200 feet but at city speeds that has little effect.

 

Guess it is interpreted with whatever vulgarities you choose. You've proven the thought process that you employ and that's all that has to be said.

Doing 70 mpgs on a 10-15 mile trip once is much easier than doing 70 mpgs for an entire tank of gas.

 

Ah lads, can we not just all get along?

Arguing over mpgs .... Ffs