RIP MH17

• Think it's time for the MA CEO to stepdown, as this is the 2nd 777 crash, AND they should have avoided flying over Ukraine.
• The Red Army let the separatists do their dirty work. I can't think of a better cautionary of why you should never offshore work.

On a more serious note, the bodies have been decomposing for 2-3 days and already blackening in the summer weather. This is salt in the wound for the families victims - half of them Dutch who consider this their 9/11.

Russia would amaze the world if they just took responsibility and offered damages...do they really thing anyone will believe another story?

 

This is the ceo's fault? The plane didn't crash, it was shot down. Blew up in the sky.

It's like someone went to rob you and fell down in your yard, ended up suing you for his injuries.

 

^ of course the CEO did not shoot the plane down, but the US govt had an advisory against flying in the area...Malaysia can do what they want, but does this look like poor judgement to fly there?

 

yes.

 

The advice that we have here in Australia is that the air corridor that MH17 used over the area was deemed safe by aviation authorities prior to the plane being shot down. Now everyone is saying that any air corridor over Ukraine is no longer safe.

 

Most other major airlines that fly that route were still using it until Thursday night. Singapore Airlines - arguably the world's most-respected airline - had a plane in the same area at the time the MH flight was shot down. I think Lufthansa did too. The ICAO had left the route open: it deemed it safe.

I've flown over loads of combat zones in the past on commercial airlines. I've flown on Cathay Pacific, Virgin and BA over Afghanistan; on SQ, MH and QF over Iran and Iraq; and on several other routes over conflict areas. It's normal practice.

I'm going to be flying DOH-MAN in September. The route will almost certainly take me over ISIS territory. I'd be surprised if we waste time and fuel by routing around it.



It's easy for the US to issue such an advisory when no American passenger airlines fly a route that would require flying over Ukraine.

It's been interesting to see the commercial opportunism, though. MH offers one of the cheapest routes from Australia to Europe. It's one of the reasons (along with terrible management, appalling staff relations, indifferent service, old planes and the strong Aussie Dollar) that Qantas is struggling. I've seen several Qantas spokespeople on TV laying into MH over this, saying it was irresponsible of MH to fly that route. Qantas has been flying over war zones for years, but it's clear that Qantas now scents blood, and sees the opportunity to shut down one of its competitors.[/QUOTE]

 

Maybe I'm too harsh on flying over Ukraine.....

 

This is odd. I didn't post a link to Singapore Airlines, but it's come up as a hyperlink to the Singapore Airlines website in the post above.

Is that the PriusChat website doing it? Or have I got another of those stupid adware viruses on my computer?

 

You shouldn't blame yourself: it's one of the narratives the media is pushing.

 

It's almost as if the entire world did not revolve around whatever the Americans are saying this time.

After the fact? Yes. Before the fact? No.

Looks like Danny is monetizing the site. I don't care for it, but it's hard to argue that he should do all this work and not earn something for it.

 

Yes, I checked it on my phone and the hyperlink was there too. I was worried because there used to be some nasty adware that would do that sort of thing, but it appears not to be the case here. If Danny wants to monetise the site, that seems fair to me.

I wonder if typing United Airlines will create a link. Or maybe Exxon or McDonald's. Let's see what happens with those sentences.

 

Only one American passenger on board? Does that diminish U.S. involvement or demands? Which country is most likely to raise the biggest ruckus over this incident?

IMO, Russia clearly doesn't give a crap, and is not about to respond to this in any way that the west demands.

 

Our Prime Minister is getting very - unnecessarily - shouty and aggressive about it after we lost 27 citizens and another 9 permanent residents. The Dutch and Malaysian governments seem to be being rather more sensible.

 

None of those linked, but I'm getting auto-links for the other airlines in this thread.

Only if we want it to. If we need a stick to beat the Russians with, then it'll do.

They have a different history and see things differently. By our standards it's hard, but their history is hard.

 

It seems to take a while. The SQ links came up after half an hour or so, and the QF links took at least three hours.

 

Oust the CEO...nah.. in this instance the pilot diverted to avoid some bad storms... was above the "hard deck" of 32000...

Did the original flight plan carry the airline over the war zone...No
did the pilot make a mistake in changing course to avoid a storm...No
Was the pilot wrong in following the rules for flying above the area...No

some crazy ruskie flipping through the owners manual of the newly stolen AA missiles while still pumped up from downing the transport the previous week, pushed the button with out realizing what he was shooting at...

Go back to the 777 that went missing... shoddy plane...nah, shoddy CEO nah...shoddy pilot/copilot maybe bas weather maybe... the world will proabbly never know...

can't hang the CEO for this. (GM's CEO for the ignition switch, yes) but not the airline...

That being said, I would not buy stock in Malaysian airlines anytime soon...

 

Recently read an article that women are trained to apologize too much. This incident is an example of the male problem of refusing to apologize and own up to things. Putin definitely has a male ego, and while everybody knows he has some responsibility, he would rather deny it and give himself a bigger black eye. Here is his trophy room (does not include the Super Bowl ring he took from Patriots owner Robert Kraft)

 

This is off-topic, but the GM ignition switch happened before Mary Barra's watch, so I don't think she should be canned.

Maybe I was too hard on MA management.

Back to topic: The history of Russia has alternated between being part of the West, or defying them. Putin has taken Russia on a course that long term can't be good for them...business will dry up, the EU will attempt to find other energy sources, other countries will find alternatives to launch into space.

 

i think it's a stretch to say he hit the button by mistake.