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Creepy crawlies under the rear seat?!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by acadiaphile, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. acadiaphile

    acadiaphile Junior Member

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    Warning: Folks who'll be horrified by tales of the biosystem which can exist under the rear seat of a Prius may want to skip this post.

    In our household, my DH is the primary driver of our 2006 Prius (while I usually drive our 2005 Sienna). Several months ago, I noticed an odor in the Prius. It smelled unfamiliar, but definitely organic. (I.e., I didn't think it was the car itself but something IN the car.) We have 2 kids and a dog so there were lot of potential sources so I emptied the car and gave it a thorough cleaning and hoped the problem was solved. But it didn't. Since then I've done more cleaning and the other day I noticed tiny black bugs. Some on-line research led me to conclude the car was hosting black carpet beetles.

    After some further research, I did more vacuuming and dusted the rear seat (especially behind it) with Borax powder. A week later (yesterday) I vacuumed again but I wanted to get under the rear seat. Thanks to PriusChat, I learned how to easily remove the seat.

    But maybe that was a mistake. I was shocked by what I found under the seat. (Try viewing the photos I tried to upload here: Creepy Crawlies in the Back | PriusChat.) Apparently, the bugs were growing in material which I presume is some sort of acoustic foam. Among the cracks in the material I saw countless dead and living larvae. When I picked up loose pieces of the material, I found even more larvae writhing around.

    In a horrified frenzy, I vacuumed like a madwoman, pried up any loose bits of the materials, wiped down all hard surfaces (NOT THE BATTERY COVER!) with vinegar and bleach solutions (not at the same time) and wrapped up the seat bottom, headrests and other "soft" removable parts in plastic bags (think containment).

    Aside from sharing my experience with others, I'm posting this because I want to know what in the world are those critters eating?! I won't claim that our back seat hasn't had its fair share of free-range cheese crackers and Cheerios from time to time but I find it really hard to believe that explains the infestation. What is the insulation material used under the rear seat and in the well under the spare tire? In my disassembly of the car's interior, I found the same material as under the rear seat under the spare tire. It too was cracked, flaking, and apparently hosting buggy creatures.

    I've searched Google, this forum and elsewhere to try and find others who've had similar situations and can offer guidance regarding my next steps in trying to get rid of the bugs without the use of pesticides (which--safety concerns aside--has limited utility in controlling all parts of an insect lifecycle).
     
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    Great Story! Show me the photo.
     
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    Sorry, I got an error message. I'm trying to upload now.
     
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    Considering the scope of the issue, my suggestion would be to use a fumigating "bomb" on the cabin interior with all windows and doors closed. Then after the bomb has done its work, open all windows, air out the car and drive it to vent. I don't think you have time to use a non-pesticide method. Good luck.

    Raid Fumigating Foggers (3-Pack)-61528 at The Home Depot
     
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    I wonder if something spilled down the back seat, and settled in those places- then dried into what the bugs are eating? Bugs could be from the dog, or from flies. I would bug bomb it, and then do it again in 2 weeks (or what ever the larve - to bugs cycle might be).

    Maybe this is all part of Toyota's plan to keep the Prius more "Green"??:ROFLMAO:
    After so long, a bug is born, and eats the car, returning it to the cycle of life!o_O
     
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  7. acadiaphile

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    My concern about using a bug bomb is that the pesticides used are approved for use in a given setting: a home. This assumes a particular environment, e.g., a range of temperature which is relatively narrow when compared to a car's interior which can get WAY hotter than a home (at least on this planet!). While I'm not a chemist, I do know that chemicals which are perfectly stable (read: safe) at one temperature can become unstable (read: unsafe) at other temperatures--especially high temperatures. I worry that airing out the car after a "bombing" won't be sufficient to eliminate the residue which (I worry) could be a threat when the car heats up.

    Meanwhile, now I'm trying to figure out how to convince my daughters that it'll be fine to ride in the car (once I'm done).:unsure:
     
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    If this makes you feel any better, I worked at a car wash while in college and I cleaned cars with rodents living under seats and some with enough dirt and filth in the floor boards that they were actually growing healthy plants. No kidding!
     
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    No fun. I have no remedies, but I can relate.

    In our 2010 Outlook which we owned prior to the Prius, my wife went shopping and folded half the third row to load groceries. A gallon of milk rolled out of the cargo area to the unfolded part of the third row seat. It was not noticed when we unloaded the car, and then the remaining seat was folded onto it. It was late winter with temps mostly below freezing so the fact that it somehow got punctured and half of the gallon leaked out went unnoticed - until the temps rose. Then the unholy smell of 1/2 gallon of rotten milk in and under the rear seat and floor hit my wife like a sledgehammer.

    I ended up pulling the rear seat, mostly pulling the seat covers off, completely disassembling the rear cargo floor and dousing everything with lots of water and Odo-Ban. I dried everything out overnight with a fan and re-assembled it and hung a couple of air fresheners in the back. That made it smell like a half a gallon of rotten milk spilled in a pine forest, but at least the intensity was down to a tolerable level. By the time the air freshener was spent (a couple of months?), the car was pretty much back to normal.

    Hopefully yours cleans up more quickly.
     
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    LMAO literally.

    This reminds of two times over the years I've had really bad car smells. One was a gas can spill in the back of a mini-van. It soaked through the carpet into the sound insulation underneath. Only ripping out and replacing the insulation finally got rid of the vapors. The other one was worse....... much worse. I left a ziplock bag of fresh filleted fish in the back floor board that burst open during the drive home. I was working nights back then and around 3pm the next day when I went out to car to go to work I noticed that all the windows were fogged up. Yeah, just image the smell.
     
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    Now that've steered off course, let me offer this story: Years ago our Sienna started to smell. I cleared out the car and couldn't find the source of the odor. The smell got worse and I ended up taking the car's interior apart to investigate the source.

    As it turns out, a months prior--in the fall--we'd done some beachcombing while visiting friends in CT. Apparently not all the shells my kids brought home were completely empty. Apparently, one of the shells contained its former owner--an oyster--which had slipped between the plastic cargo area liner and the carpeted interior below. During the winter, it was cold enough to go undetected, but as spring arrived and the temperatures rose, well...you may imagine the results.

    Thankfully, clean up was relatively easy due to the centralized funk source.
     
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    Here's some information I thought was very useful for my situation: 'Bugs News: Bug infested cars and Car Talk (tm). In summary, there're a few more ideas about insect control which I can pursue. I'm pleased to report that my DH has been able to hook me up with some dry ice. He'll bring it home from work this afternoon! Note to self: put a sign on our car explaining that what appears to be smoke inside should not be any cause for alarm. (All I need is the fire department arriving on the scene!)
    Likewise, Consumer Reports offers some some recommendations for dealing with foul odors in cars:
    Car Smell | Car Odor Removal - Consumer Reports
     
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    I don't think this is a Prius specific bug story, likely just a wrong place at the wrong time with lots of mess there already from dogs and kids.
    I find with bugs, when you dance around the issue with natural home remedies it works for a bit, then the problem is back again. If you just buy the $20 can of bug bomb and throw it in the car for a day, you should be rid of them forever with very little work.

    The owner of the carwash I go to has given me a few odour car bombs but I do remember him saying they used bug ones before too on really bad cars. I had to use mine because of transporting a cat, a little bit of pee came out of him and a little cat pee never comes out of anything. Roll up the windows, close the HVAC damper, press the button on the can and walk away for a few hours. Then come back and leave everything open for a day. Good as new.
     
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    I swear, the only solution to cat urine I know is a gallon of gasoline, a book of matches and a good insurance policy;).
     
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    Cat p1ss is one of the worst smells out there!
     
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    Without a doubt. I still can't understand how some landlords will permit cats but not dogs because they claim that dogs are more messy. I don't claim that dog's can't be a huge nuisance which landlords don't want to deal with--but the notion that cats are better has never made sense to me. (Just to clarify, I'm not anti-cat, I just prefer dogs:love:.)
     
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    they have either never owned a cat, and thus have no experience, or they are cat lovers and don't notice. dogs have a rep for some reason. our dog was a one man wrecking machine, the damage is obvious.:cool:
     
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    These odour bombs did the trick. It looked like Cheech and Chong were having a good time in the Prius for a few hours. But after the safety air out, it really did smell like new. Well, more like dry cleaned clothes. Not the new petrochemical outgassing that we call "new car smell" but just fresh and clean.

    To clarify, because cats rarely ever make a mess. When they do, it can be a doozy to clean or nearly impossible (cat pee!). But dogs on the other hand routinely destroy things in the name of "playing" or just scratching up floors/walls/doors and then pee/poo in the house when left unattended for longer periods or whatever reason strikes their fancy.

    So the question is more of a do you want an animal with the capability to turn your house into something smelly and uninhabitable but rarely to never happens? Or do you want an animal that is surely to reward you with the smells of nature every day but are more easily cleaned and not as long lasting?...
     
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    Something else to consider is the size of the area. A house bug bomb is likely intended for use over a much larger area than the inside of the car. I have no idea if there are smaller sized ones or not... This is the smallest one that I see Amazon.com : Raid 81590 3-Count Concentrated Deep Reach Fogger : Home Pest Control Foggers : Patio, Lawn & Garden on a quick glance. 625 sq feet is pretty sizeable though, compared to a car. If I were to blast one of these in there, I'd let it air out for quite a while longer than the directions say, just to be safe.

    1998? Taurus, a watermelon rolled out of a grocery bag somewhere into the trunk that wasn't obvious. After a few weeks, the car started to smell nice and citrusy. I thought it was some cleaner or air freshener she had used in it. She thought it was some cleaner or air freshener I had used in it. After a couple more weeks, it stopped smelling nice, and turned to smelling like a demon from hell. We checked it all, found part of a watermelon rind and the rest was just .. mush.. shoveled it all out, seriously deep cleaned as much of it as we could.. never did get the citrusy smell out of the car though before we junked it.


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    As to the bugs in this post .. I vote this for being a good use for gasoline.
     
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    How about no animals period? Nothing like taking a dog for a walk at -10 and waiting on it to move.
     
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