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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by hdrygas, Mar 30, 2006.

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  1. hdrygas

    hdrygas New Member

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    I would like everyone who has CAN-View, Nav System and Bluetooth phones to try something. First post if your autostart feature for CAN-View works or does not work with your phone? Second what is your present settings for beep in Can-View and Standard and JBL. Third change these, does the Autostart now work or not? Fourth if Autostart does not work with beep are you getting a sort of double beep as the screen comes up. I think that the problem with Autostart has to do with the beep, and how quickly the phone connects with car. Please post here. Efusco, Frenchie, anyothers?
     
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    Autostart does not work.



    JBL



    Can't try until tomorrow...sorry.





    I do get a double beep after I hit the INFO button 3 times.
     
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  3. hdrygas

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    5th phone and service provider may be important as well.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hdrygas @ Mar 30 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]232546[/snapback]</div>
    Cingular (Was AT&T--phone still has AT&T tag on it) Motorola V505
     
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    hello
    autostart works with and without BT activated on phone.
    JBL , no beep.
    time to go to bed , I will change settings for tests tomorrow.
    my phone is a sony ericsson W550i . before I had a Z600 , same behaviour.
    maybe you can check that the scart plug is well secured on canview.
    I had some erratics "things" happening when the connection was loose.
     
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  6. hdrygas

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frenchie @ Mar 30 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]232559[/snapback]</div>
    Connection tight and taped.
    OK this goes against the grain of not asking leading quesions and trying to ask non directive questions, but this is what I have observed:

    Phone off:
    beep on Standard Audio no autostart
    beep off Standard Audio autostart ok
    beep on JBL Audio no autostart
    beep off JBL Audio autostart ok

    Phone on in car and on:
    beep on Standard Audio no autostart
    beep off Standard Audio autostart ok
    beep on JBL Audio no autostart
    beep off JBL Audio audiostart ok

    Of course no banner if autostart ok in any case. I think the Banner for Bluetooth Connected and Bluetooth Not Connected is a clue to the problem.
     
    #6 hdrygas, Mar 30, 2006
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    if you have the JBL and have CAN-view set to standard you will stall the CAN as it trys to find the standard audio system. Eventually it should shut off the MFD. As the standard and the JBL systems have different addresss on the buss. Found this out early on in my beta tester suit.
     
    #7 Frank Hudon, Mar 31, 2006
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    Henry,
    I don't think this is related to the type of BT phone used...I don't get auto-start even with no phone or my phone turned off in the car.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 31 2006, 06:43 AM) [snapback]232877[/snapback]</div>
    I did have Autostart with my old Verizon Motorola V710 with beep on. Go figure.
     
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    I have CAN-View V3 and 2005 Prius Option 6 (Bluetooth, JBL, and NAV)

    I have a Motorola V330 (T-Mobile) phone that is registered with my Prius.
    I normally leave the Bluetooth power off on my phone and only enable
    the Bluetooth power when I want to link up with my Prius.

    I did some extensive testing last night. I tried the tests below with
    Bluetooth on my phone ON and OFF. I also deleted my phone from
    the Prius Bluetooth device list. I got the same results so for me
    Bluetooth phone has no affect.

    Here is what I found:

    Beep ON Standard Audio: autostart FAILS
    Beep OFF Standard Audio: autostart OK
    Beep ON JBL Audio: autostart FAILS
    Beep OFF JBL Audio: autostart OK

    So for me, Autostart NEVER works with Beep ON.
    If I disable the Beep it works every time.

    Note: I also tried the 4 tests above in 3 power modes:

    1) Aux (press Power once with foot OFF brake)
    2) IGN-ON (press Power twice rapidly with foot OFF brake)
    3) Ready-ON (press Power once with foot ON brake)

    Autostart worked every time in Aux mode with beeps ON or OFF.
    Autostart failed every time in IGN-ON or Ready-ON with Beeps enabled.
    Autostart worked every time in IGN-ON or Ready-ON with Beeps disabled.

    Hope this info helps.

    Mike
     
    #10 SalsaMike, Apr 2, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SalsaMike @ Apr 2 2006, 04:05 PM) [snapback]233895[/snapback]</div>
    Great info. Do you get the Bluetooth Banner over the CAN-View or does it show up when you switch to another standard Prius Screen such as Nav, Consumption or Energy? That may be important. CDMA Network. That is important I believe because it is an CDMA Bluetooth enabled network. I need another Version person... Please Please Please. The Verizon phones have disabled much of the Bluetooth but they are CDMA. Is it the network, the phone or how the Bluetooth protocol is implimented. I have a Motorola V710 with v1 software and it auto started. I needed a later model and software Verizon to help out. Frenchie should have a GSM or GRPS phone and that works. Why? I think if I remember GSM is mandated in Europe? I think the timing of the start up is the critical issue. My new GSM/GRPS Cigular phone take a long time to connect. My old Version phone took less time. I am not sure that my old phone is a fair test because it can no longer pick up the CDMA network as it is turned off. The most recent software update has not worked thus far.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hdrygas @ Apr 2 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]233933[/snapback]</div>
    Henry,
    I'm convinced that the BT has nothing to do with it. The phone still connects fine, you just don't get the acknowledging banner until you switch screens. I think that's just a little bug with CAN-View, not related to the phone being on/off, GSM or CDMA or anything. And it looks like the mystery of the auto-start is solved as well.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 2 2006, 08:25 PM) [snapback]234007[/snapback]</div>
    Does not explain why auto start does not work unless the beep is disabled or why it did work with my old phone with the beep on. I think the banner is a secondary symptom, not important in and of itself to something that is going on during the incitation of CAN View and the Prius systems, not a huge thing but one never knows about the future. I am guessing that it is related to the Bluetooth connection and the way it ties up the Nav ECU during that process. Aren’t computers fun!!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hdrygas @ Apr 2 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]233933[/snapback]</div>
    The Bluetooth banner saying failed to connect will display over the CAN-View image.
    The Bluetooth banner saying successful connection will only display if I switch out of CAN-View to another screen.

    Note: My Bluetooth phone is Motorola V330 for T-Mobile (GSM network)

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hdrygas @ Apr 2 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]233933[/snapback]</div>
    From my test Bluetooth connection did not matter. I got the same results with my phone's Bluetooth powered off or on. I also deleted my phone from the Prius Bluetooth and got the same results.

    I did some more testing and noticed something I did not before.

    With beeps disabled, if the last screen displayed before shutting off the Prius was a Nav generated screen then Autostart does NOT work. If the last screen displayed was Energy or Consumption then Autostart works. If beeps are enabled then Autostart does not work (except in Aux mode).

    I'm not sure why CAN-View Autostart works with Beeps in Aux mode but not in IGN-ON or Ready-ON modes. I would venture to guess that the last screen makes a difference since CAN-View and Nav share the external video input.

    Hope this info helps...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SalsaMike @ Apr 5 2006, 01:08 AM) [snapback]235171[/snapback]</div>
    I am getting the same thing you are. Norm has produced some new software and I am trying it out. So far no luck. The last version may be delaying the Bluetooth connection. Very curious.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hdrygas @ Apr 5 2006, 07:56 PM) [snapback]235563[/snapback]</div>
    Ah, good to know you see the same behavior I do! Today I disconnected my Coastal Nav mod to see if the behavior changed but it did not.

    I also downloaded the latest codes:

    CCapr026, CVmar266, and Henry's IEBUS Code CIapr036

    No change to Autostart behavior.

    I've been discussing this with Norm and he wants to know if this Autostart behavior happens with everyone. So...

    Also check AUX mode with Beeps ON</span>

    Autostart Tests with Beeps ON and AUX mode Test
    1. Power ON Prius with brake pedal pressed down
    2. Set Beeps ON and set Autostart ON in CAN-View Setup and Save
    3. Press INFO on Steering Wheel
    4. Power OFF Prius
    5. Power ON Prius with foot OFF brake pedal
    6. Does CAN-View Autostart?
    7. Press MAP and press I Agree
    8. Power OFF Prius
    9. Power ON Prius with foot <span style="color:#FF0000">OFF
    1. brake pedal
    2. Does CAN-View Autostart?
     
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    I did not do all these steps in this order in the past so here are my results with a few comments. First I did them with and without the phone in the car. And there was no difference. Still does not explain why Auto start worked with my old phone but that is not of major import. I have been through a number of software updates to the CAN-View and that may have been what I have observed. I don't know but it does not at this point seem reproducible.

    Autostart Test with Beeps on and Power ON Test
    6= No does not start on power on
    10 = No goes to the I agree screen

    Autostart Test with Beeps off and Power On Test
    6= Yes it does autostart
    10 = No it goes to the I agree screen

    Autostart Test with Beeps ON and Aux mode test (and comment on ING mode)
    ( just to be totally clear the first push with the foot on the Brake is ACC mode the second push is ING mode. I observed a curious difference between the two and I will comment. You can not get to the I agree screen in ACC mode you need to be in ING mode)

    I turned beeps on and autostart on and saved. I push Info and powered off. With my foot off the brake I pushed once on the power button
    #6 = yes the Autostart works but the screen has a black background with white letters. Night mode. My lights were off at the time and I have the CAN view set up for switching to black and white only with lights on. Curious. I push the button again to get to ING mode to make the changes of step 7. The screen back ground on the CAN View Screen turned the proper day time blue. I pushed the Map button and I agree. Power off. Power on step 10 = no auto start. I go to the I agree screen.
     
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    Sorry, I forgot and haven't gone through all those detailed steps, though I'm pretty sure my answers will mimic henry's.

    I want to add another bug....
    First of all, I have BEEPS off so Auto-start does come up for me now. But I found that if I sit in ACC mode for a while (maybe any time period...haven't tested) then press brake and power up that I am completely unable to access CAN-View even by hitting the EV button or any combination of button pushes until I shut down and restart.

    Anyone else?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Apr 8 2006, 02:34 PM) [snapback]236911[/snapback]</div>
    Will look tomorrow am off to reinstall Windoz for the third time. I think the unabridged Inferno had a special circle for Bill. Rarely seen manuscript only deep in the Vatican vaults leaked by the Mac Evanglesta. See you tomorrow
     
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    hdrygas: Your results are identical to mine. Every one of them
    including ACC (sorry I called it AUX) and IGN. I also get the
    black background in ACC and blue when I press Power again
    to go into IGN.

    efusco: Yes, I've noticed that CAN-View will be inoperable
    as well if you transition from ACC to Power on. I ran into
    that condition while testing but didn't pursue it as I don't
    often do that.

    I am now using:
    CCapr076
    CIapr036 (Henry's IEBUS Code)
    CVapr076

    Here is something I observed that might help Norm debug
    Autostart. If you turn Beeps OFF and Autostart ON and
    your LAST screen was MAP then Autostart fails and you
    end up in MAP I Agree screen. However, if you next press the
    STEERING wheel INFO button ONCE you will briefly see the
    Energy/Consumption screen then a Beep and then you are in CAN-View!!!

    It's as if the MAP screen is holding back the Autostart CAN-View
    screen and CAN-View is released once the Info on the STEERING
    wheel is pressed.

    Does that happen for you guys too?

    Regarding Bluetooth, I don't think it affects Autostart at all
    (at least in these most recent versions) but one thing I do
    notice is that if CAN-View is up when Bluetooth connection
    completes you will NOT see the message that Bluetooth
    connected until after exiting CAN-View then the banner
    and beep appear immediately. I know it connected long
    ago since the phone tells me when it connects.

    Do you ever see Bluetooth CONNECTED while in CAN-View?

    I see Bluetooth FAILED to connect but never CONNECTED
    while in CAN-View.

    - SalsaMike
     
    #20 SalsaMike, Apr 11, 2006
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