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Prius v trim level and year questions

Discussion in 'Prius v Main Forum' started by instrumentality, Feb 12, 2015.

  1. instrumentality

    instrumentality New Member

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    Hi all,
    My husband and I currently share an '04 Toyota Matrix. It's been a great car, but with babies/toddlers and a lot of road trips and gear in our life, we need more cargo space. We bought our Matrix off lease in 2007 after our corolla was totalled (t-boned by a minivan that ran a red light) and lucked out in ending up with features we wouldn't have otherwise paid for at the time but have now grown to love: namely auto-on lights and a moonroof (I know the moonroof might seem silly, but my husband especially gets real enjoyment from it). We've loved having a hatchback and would like a hybrid (husband is an economist and convinced gas prices will go up steeply in the next several years) so we're seriously considering the v (lowercase v for the Prius v wagon). Other top contender is a Subaru Outback. (I know, totally different car...we're going station wagon for certain, but not sure we need AWD, and the Outback, while nicer inside is LONG - maybe too long for our frequent need to park in tiny street spaces and our cramped city driveway. We also drove a Forester, but it felt like a truck).

    When we started looking (in December) we were leaning toward a 2014 v3 with the moonroof. Then discovered the 2015 v3 would have auto-on headlights, nicer seat fabric (in our opinion), and better ratings on the small overlap test. We were all set to order since it seemed like a 2015 v3 w/ moonroof would be our perfect car. We were super disappointed to learn that Toyota took away the standalone moonroof option on the v3 for 2015 (why?!?!). Now we're wondering if we should consider jumping up to the 2015 v5 ATP, mainly to get the moonroof, though the other ATP features might be a nice bonus. We were actually set to ditch the Prius v altogether and just get an Outback, but we got several quotes on both, and were surprised to discover that the v is actually cheaper (v3) or at the worst, equivalent in price to the Outback once you factor in even relatively conservative gas savings over the first five years.

    So our choices are:
    2014 v3 w/ moonroof: about $25k
    2015 v3: about $26k
    2014 v5 ATP: $32k quoted, truecar says $30k, but none locally so IF we could get one maybe around 31k?
    2015 outback w/moonroof: about $28k

    I'd love to hear thoughts on:

    - what you paid for your v3, or v5 ATP. Is it realistic to think we could get the v5 ATP for around 31k?
    - if you have the moonroof, how much do you end up opening it and how much difference do you feel it makes to the experience of being the driver over time? The passenger? (when I test drove the '14, I didn't notice much difference as the driver, but as the passenger it seemed amazing)
    - any subjective thoughts on whether it's worth giving up auto-on headlights and better small overlap test results for the moonroof? if the headlights turn off automatically, do any of you just leave them on all the time and deal with it that way? I haven't had to turn on my headlights consciously in 8 years so I'm wondering how long it would take to get used to doing so again and if it's worth it
    - can anyone comment on the ease of cleaning or durability of the 2015 vs. previous years cloth seats? the 2015 isn't quite a "sport" fabric like our Matrix but it seemed a little less plush (which with toddlers seems like a good thing). softex would be OK I guess, but we actually prefer cloth

    I guess I'm trying to figure out if we should give up on the moonroof - which we could enjoy daily - and just go with the 2015 v3, which is otherwise the exact car we want, or if it's worth trading off either crash performance (unlikely to matter but important if needed)/features or another car entirely to get one.
     
  2. rdgrimes

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    Probably not. They stick pretty close to the $36-37K figure. However, 0% financing, if available, negates small differences in price.
    It seems pretty useless for front seat people, back seat people will enjoy it. I have it and have never used it.
    You can leave headlights on regardless, they turn themselves off when you shut off the car. I have the auto-on feature and never used it because it tends to turn them on when I don't want.
    Of course, the Softex comes standard in the v-5. I absolutely love it because its near indestructible, comfortable and a snap to clean. If you have any members of your family who slobber and shed, you'll appreciate Softex.
     
  3. mikefocke

    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Wife has auto-headlights in her Avalon. She doesn't use them. I do when in hers. There are conditions they can be annoying.

    She has a moonroof, never uses it. Had it in her Acura, never used it except to test it. Between the two cars, that is zero uses for 14 years.

    I intensely dislike a moonroof. Waste of cost and interior height IMHO. Consider the safety aspect in a rollover. I would have bought a five ATP except for the forced sunroof and the 17" wheels. But those are my/her preferences and no reason our tastes and yours should match up.

    I wanted SofTex so badly I had the dealer add it to my '12 v three. I knew there would be times I'd climb in and have sunscreen on my arms and didn't see the cloth arm rests liking that very well. The kit they used came from the distributor with a Toyota part number on it and covered all cloth surfaces. My seats have survived three grandkids and lots of drinks and foods.

    Prius v 2015s are advertised in the $27.5-30k range for threes and fours. Doubt the $31k for a five ATP as a 2015.
     
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    I don't know about gasoline prices going up that much since most forecasts I've seen have gasoline prices stabilizing for many years to come due to the incredible oversupply of oil. A huge concern of the oil industry is that a number of companies are working on battery technology and even a moderate breakthrough could drive a stake through the heart of oil.

    Back to the subject of buying a Prius v. We have a 2012 Prius v with ATP and wouldn't consider anything other than a 2015 Prius v with ATP if we were buying another. The 2015 Prius v has significant safety improvements and its reduced content ATP comes at a lower price. Plus, the 2015 Prius v with ATP has power front seats - it's impossible for many people to find a comfortable seating position with the manually adjustable seats in the lower trim models.

    I don't care for the feel of Softex - seems clammy in humid summers and is nothing like real leather - but it might be nice if you have small (messy) children.

    The Prius v non-opening panoramic roof is a matter of taste My wife likes it (it's her car) but I don't care about it and close it when I'm driving. (I have dual opening sunroofs in the Sienna Limited van I drive but rarely open either. ) Automatic headlights are a great feature. The 2015 Prius v/ATP even has auto dimming headlights like my Sienna - this system works unbelievably well and keeps your high beams on as much as possible.

    The coolest parts of the ATP is "dynamic radar cruise control" (DRCC) and "Pre-Collision System" (PCS). The IIHS dinged the 2012-14 Prius v PCS for not being effective enough but maybe that has been addressed on the 2015 since Toyota addressed other safety issues. PCS on my Sienna is extraordinarily effective and probably saved me from a crash last fall when someone pulled out in front of me - PCS nailed the brakes hard and tightened my seatbelt super-tight before I even got my foot off the gas pedal.

    When it comes to buying, I recommend buying through Costco. If you are not a Costco member, join and enroll in the Costco car buying programming. I've bought a lot of new vehicles over the past 50 years but buying through Costco was the best car buying experience I've ever had.
     
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    I'll offer money that the acrylic moon roof with related frame and bracing is a good deal stronger in a rollover than the flimsy metal roof sheeting normally used.
     
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    We bought a used 2012 Prius v Three a couple weeks ago, so not a perfect comparison, but...

    The dealer had both a used Three (40,000 miles) and Five with ATP (50,000 miles), both with full service records on Toyota's website, both listed at the same price. We test drove them both, and while we both loved the moonroof, we felt the Softex "leather" seats were not as comfortable as the fabric seats. We decided that seats mattered more than the moonroof, fog lights, auto-on headlights, nicer sound system, etc.

    I prefer to manually turn off and on the headlights, but if you leave them in the On position, they will turn off by pressing the fob's lock button twice. That's what my girlfriend does with her 2010 Prius.

    The 2010 Prius does great in snow and low-traction, only issue has been ground clearance when we've gotten 10+ inches of snow.

    The Outback is long, but only about 8" longer than the Prius v. Parking in DC and Maryland was easier in my tiny Kia, but usually not a problem in the Prius. Full-size sedans are about 12" longer than the Outback, and there are plenty of those parked in downtown DC.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. What's certain is that all that extra mass concentrated at the top of the car increases the probability that a rollover will occur.