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Unhappy 2010 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by StansMyMan, Apr 5, 2015.

  1. StansMyMan

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    About 6 months ago, I bought a 2010 Prius III. He (yes, it's a he - his name is Stan Lee) has about 108,000 miles on him right now. I had my 100k mile service done a couple weeks ago, and since then, he's been running a little off. When I am around 30-35mph, right before the gas engine kicks in, he starts to stutter. It's faint, but I can feel the slight vibration, almost pull, like it needs more power to keep going. Yesterday, while I was waiting in line to leave a parking lot, the engine turned off as usual, but when it started back up to charge the battery, it sounded like the RPMS were up and down, and he was struggling to keep himself on. The cabin seems louder than normal, too. To add to that, the heat doesn't seem to be working properly. When I put my hands to the vent, even at 75 degrees, the air feels room temp and is chilly by the time it reaches me. I checked the coolant level and it was fine. He also has a lot of ticking - particularly around startup and after I shut him off. Is that normal?

    Clearly I'm not a prius genius. I've had a 1996 Oldsmobile for the past 11 years that I could fix like a pro, but this is all new to me. It'll cost $100 to have my dealer look over the car, and I'd rather avoid that if possible. I appreciate any help I can get!
     
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    what did they do at the last service? sounds like they messed something up, and it might be easier to evaluate what serviced. you might want to have the codes read to see if there are any active alerts.

    a throttle service could leave debris or cleaner behind. a plug change could have been botched. might want to check your injectors, how is the oil level, etc.

    i'm thinking they changed the engine coolant and didn't bleed it fully.
     
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    100K service in the 'States includes engine/inverter coolant change. OP, is that your location, and do you have the invoice handy?
     
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    I'm impressed by the fact that the OP has named his Prius "Stan Lee".
    And also is coming from a 1996 Oldsmobile.
    Talk about jumping through the automotive wormhole.

    Your symptoms are subtle but varied and worrisome. I'm thinking the 100 investment into a Toyota? Dealers diagnostics may be worth it.

    Knowing exactly what they did for the 100,000 mile service might help in coming up with what may be wrong now.

    Good Luck, Hope Stan returns to form.
     
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    Sounds like egr valve. Same thing happened to me.
     
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    Eep! I'm sorry - I left for the Red Wings game right after posting this! I wasn't expecting people to respond so soon! You all rock! Yes - I'm in the US. :)

    I'm going to attach the invoice that shows what they did. It was also recommended (because of the 100k mileage) that I have my cabin filter and engine air filter changed and get the throttle body cleaned. I did not do this because they quoted it at a total of $400 and I didn't have that.

    Off Topic: @The Electric Me - I'm glad someone else noticed the irony in that! :)

    Let me know if there's any other information I can provide you all with! I really appreciate this - this dealership has been causing me a great deal of grief, and I'm questioning if this investment was worth it to begin with.
     

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    The invoice is an incredibly obtuse and verbose description of very little. The use of words (and word fragments) like "UNIT", "ELEME" and "GASKET" are completely unintelligible. And unfortunately the norm.

    Seems like an oil change and tire rotation was done. I don't see anything in the invoice about coolant change, which is one of the main components of the 100K service.

    Also, I think you're wise to decline the filter changes. They are dead-simple to do yourself, and: if you do it yourself you can check them out, make sure they are in need of replacement. And even the Owners Manual recommends a blast of air in the reverse direction, if they're not that dirty.

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    throttle body inspection might be a place to start. certainly inspect engine filter and all connections.

    i don't see anything on there about the throttle body, air filter, engine or inverter coolant. was it really just $82.? i don't even see where they rotated the tyres. edit: okay, saw the tyre rotation at the top.

    looks like a 5,000 mile service as they state, not 100,000 mile.
     
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    @mypriuscious - How would I know that's what it is definitively?

    @bisco - They recommended I get the throttle body cleaned, but I didn't have the cash for it at the time. Only thing it said about coolant was that it was "okay." It ended up being ~$55 because they didn't actually rotate my tires - the front have more tread then the back and I need new tires. Tire rotation is supposed to happen, though. Apparently, if I would have allowed them to change the filters and do the throttle body, it would have been the "100,000 mile maintenance".

    @Mendel Leisk - So rather than just check the level of my coolant, they should have done a change? The filter change is what made me the most upset - the mechanic made it sound like I would never be able to figure out how to change them. I'll blame it on me being a woman and him getting sucked into stereotypes.

    I fully intend to call the dealership about this issue, because I'm so upset, as this has NOT been the first issue I've had with them.

    However, is my car safe to drive? Obviously I'm going to try to get it fixed as soon as possible, but it's my only means of transportation. I just don't want to make it any worse.
     
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    It would feel like a miss firing cylinder. Then it would get progressively worse. Cause vibrations while the engine is on. And if it's really bad it would cause the engine to stutter badly.
     
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    car is fine to drive. funny thing about the filters, engine is easy peasy, cabin filter is behind the glovebox, and getting the glovebox door unhooked and hooked back up is a pita.:mad:
     
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    Yup, 100000 miles US schedule says change both inverter and engine coolant, there's two separate systems. Eyeballing the levels in the two overflow bottles is absurdly simple, I wouldn't even pay someone to do that. I'd maybe look for another dealership, they don't seem to be paying any heed to the schedule....

    Look up Luscious Garage, if you want some cheering up. ;)
     
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    Hi all!

    A friend of mine let me drive her prius (same model/year) to compare the noises I'm hearing (because it could very well be amplified by my own paranoia). The panel underneath the glove compartments is down - meaning that when the dealer did their 20-whatever point check, mainly the filter check, they did not put the panel back up correctly. This has been causing an increased amount of cabin noise (I can hear the rain hit underneath my car, or a semi truck drive by as though I'm sitting outside my car, not inside of it).

    The engine is still running a bit off, though. The heat will only randomly work like it should, and when the gas engine turns on (such as when you turn the car on at startup), it tends to rev a lot; it cannot seem to keep a constant state. I'm not sure if that makes sense. Without being able to make the noise, imagine the following as noise (yes I know I'm a dork... my car's name is Stan Lee!):

    __---^^^^^^^___--^^^^^^^_________^^^__^^------_____^^^--^^--^^---______ off


    It still struggles with acceleration sometimes, feeling like I need to floor it in order for it to go. And when I'm trying to maintain a slower speed, such as 30ish, using just the electric, it again feels like it's struggling to keep going, and that I need to push the gas. (When I do push the gas, it's slow... but eventually the stuttering/lagging stops).

    Only on ocassion have I felt as though it is vibrating (which could either be the vibration, the lag/stuttering, or my increasing paranoia when it's really just bumps in the road -- it is Michigan after all... smooth roads are hard to come by).

    I will certainly be getting a diagnostic run on it, if nothing else than for peace of mind. Is there anything I should be looking for or telling them specifically to do/look at?

    I really appreciate all of your help!
     
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    Paying the inept 100$ dollars might not be very satisfying, any large parts store will do a free obd2 port reading, you might pick up a scangauge2 and do your own reading.

    I hate to but I'm going to mention the 12v, is it ok?
    The dealer may have run it down and the ice is busy trying to run it back up.
     
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    They probably topped off the oil with some 10w-40. And then dropped tire pressure to 30lbs.
     
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    I hate to, but I'm going to ask... how do I check the 12v? :confused: Also - you're speaking in tongue; what's a obd2 port reading? :censored:
     
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    The OBDII port is located under the dash aligned with the steering wheel. It is the connector that you use to connect a diagnosis reader to your car to get service codes. You can purchase a Bluetooth module that connects to your phone to do this for you.
     
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    study the behavior of the battery gauge on the dash display. does it tend to stay near the center for the most part, or swing wildly from top to bottom?
     
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    i'm not really sure what the panel under the glove compartment is. you access the cabin filter by releasing the glove box door catches on the sides, and the hydraulic strut.
     
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    I took a few pictures. These are from underneath the bottom glove box, above where the all weather mats stop.
     

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