2008 Lexus LS 600h L - 430+ Horsepower V8

Have there been any officially announced prices for the LS 600h yet?

-Ken

 

You don't need a huge engine to get torque. You can gear anything
down and get great horking wads of torque -- the question is how
fast is your final drive turning at that point. Think "farm
tractor". What you're talking about is *power* -- torque * RPM.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kdmorse @ Apr 13 2006, 04:40 PM) [snapback]239376[/snapback]</div>

Someone wrote $125k in an article but I'd be surprised if it were that much.

I don't get your point...

They will, but always after the power.

 

For those who asked, it will cost around $75k. The Lexus LS on which it's based sells for $57k, with high-end luxury packages bringing that up to $70k. The 600h will no doubt be based on a fully-loaded LS so figure $75k +/- $5000.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Potential Buyer @ Apr 14 2006, 01:17 PM) [snapback]239757[/snapback]</div>

Its going to cost a lot more than $75k. The LS now tops out at 71k, and the LWB 460 version has been said to add ~5-7k to that, and the hybrid will have at least a $10-15,000 premium on top of the fully loaded LWB LS460L. So, if you figure $78k for a fully loaded LS460L, and then $15,000 on top of that for the LS600h, My guess is the car will be about $93k

 

What makes you think the hybrid premium will be 10-15K? It is nowhere near that amount on any of the other Toyota Hybrids (when you take out the added features tacked on to the hybrid version.).

 

The Lexus GS 450h will cost $54900, compared to the regular GS 430 which is $52070, so the hybrid premium is $2830 in that case. There is absolutely no reason to think the 600h will have a $10-15k premium; that's absurd.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Potential Buyer @ Apr 14 2006, 01:52 PM) [snapback]239850[/snapback]</div>

Uh... bad example.

GS430 = 4.3L v8
GS450h = 3.5 v6 + EV

LS460 = 4.6L v8
LS600h = 4.6L v8 + EV

So you have to compare the GS450h with the GS350.
And LS460 is RWD while the LS600h is AWD.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dipper @ Apr 14 2006, 08:22 PM) [snapback]239956[/snapback]</div>

There's no such thing as a GS350 until 2007 when it's released, but the GS430 already exists and so does the 450h in Japan (and I think is released here this month?) so it's the obvious comparison choice. Plus the 450h is already even faster than the 430, which isn't surprising since that's why Lexus named it the 450h; they felt it gives the performance of a 4.5L V-8. The 300 or 350 are for people who don't really care about really fast acceleration.

Similarly, when Road & Track compares the hybrid Camry to its non-hybrid counterpart, they decided to use the V-6 instead of the I-4, since the hybrid's performance was closer to the V-6 as tested by them.

The GS450h is not for budget-minded people; it's a luxury car that's very fast. Its competitor is the GS430 which is cheaper but slower and gets much worse mileage.

 

I don't know where you get your info from.

I own a 2004 Prius and a 2006 Vette with an automatic. (2006 has a 6 speed paddle shift Automatic)

In the Vette I get an average 23 MPG. I get 28+ on a long highway trip which is better than average given on the window sticker. (Auto is supposed to get 27).

That kind of MPG in a 400HP Monster that does mid 12sec 1/4 mile and is capable of 186MPH. Real numbers. (I have been 178 in the car on a 4 mile track. I made an open invitation to any disbelievers I know, I'll show you. Admission is a tank of gas and tolls, I had 2 takers who are now believers)

If you have a heavy foot your going to get low teens in the street.

My Prius gets me a low 40 Average (I do mostly highway)

There is no Gas guzzler tax on any corvette. (A viper gets hit with a gas Guzzler tax)

The C6 is an incredible car. Chevy really did a great job considering the price. The car rides as plush as a Cadillac and performs like an exotic Italian when you want it to. ( I opted for the magnetic adjustable suspension)

There is no trick in getting the good mileage. The 1st to 4 lockout with the manual can be overridden, but with that power it not necessary 99% of the time.

I own 2 imports already. I choose the Vette over an Import because I wanted something Made in America By American Union Workers, and GM has made the C6 a great vehicle all around. I cant get over how quiet it is, and I have a convertible.

Being this is a prius site, I love my Prius. I would like to see Toyota put the electric only mode in the US Version and maybe power seats ( My wife is short and power seats would help anyone short enjoy driving the car, its a great car to drive). The back up camera in the newer models was a great idea.

Toyota is trying to go for the Upper BMW & Mercedes Crowd on these new cars. The Power and "Better on the Environment" along with all the bells and whistles is a selling gimmick.

I had to defend the Vette, American cars bet beat up on too much. The Vette is an all around impressive car to drive and GM outdid themselves with the C6 at that price.

My 2cents











quote name='dipper' date='Apr 12 2006, 12:35 PM' post='238614']
SMUG ALERT.

Common guys. Even Bob Carter said... "The LS 600h L was developed to explore the outer reaches of performance...."

Let Toyota do what they want. If they fail, then they will not build another one like this. They are in a business to make money and report to shareholders, not statisfy treehuggers.

Why are you guys comparing a Corvette with a land yacht anyways? 3200lbs to 4000+ lbs (maybe 5000+ lbs since this is the extra long version)

The Corvette with LS2 mated with an auto tranny is crappy on mileage (and have to pay gas guzzler tax)... not close to 18/28. The only way to get close to 18/28 is because the 6speed manual. 5th and 6th gears are very long overdrives. Furthermore, GM installed shift lockouts so that EPA cannot shift from 1st to 2nd at normal shifting RPM to make the gas mileage look good.

I love the C6, but GM does some tricks to it to get EPA averages.... but people will tell you MPG sucks except for cruising on highway with those long overdrive gears with manual tranny only.
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If it's not available with cloth upholstery, I don't want it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Apr 16 2006, 10:50 AM) [snapback]240531[/snapback]</div>

What's alcantara? Is that the fake leather they're calling leather in the 2006? Shall I tell you what I'd have if I had my 'druthers? I'd have the cloth that came in the 2004. Hmmm. That's what I have now. Boy, am I lucky! I sure hope they still offer it in that 2009 Prius everyone is rumor-mongering about.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ Apr 16 2006, 05:49 PM) [snapback]240642[/snapback]</div>

And is that the stuff you get when you order the "leather" option in the 2006 Prius? Or do you geat real leather made of cows' skins?

 

I don't know, but I'm kinda disappointed in Toyota for making and marketing the 600h.
I know, they'll build what people will buy, but I'm not entirely sure that they are not trying to create a bit of a market niche - a super ultra luxury car that not only has more power than the standard version, but for which the uninformed can also claim that 'it's green', it's a hybrid, I can do something good. Afterall, creating a niche of vehicles that are heavier than needed, bulkier than needed, have more power than needed, and burn more gas than needed, is exactly what GM and the Detroit big three have done all along, and that we (or many on Priuschat) have railed against for so long.
So please tell me how making and marketing a vehicle like the 600h is different from making and marketing an Escalade?
It is not, and I am disappointed in Toyota! Very!

 

i really don't understand why people are complaining

Toyota has a good system going for them. They put out the best hybrid model on their luxury vehicles so they can make a better one later on. just like gas engines.. but Toyota will make a lot more money and it will help them dominate the entire car industry with time. (if they play their cards right)

As is, the improvement is pretty good. They are taking these 4000lb plus... and now 5000lb plus cars and still giving them the hybrid 30% improvement in fuel economy if not more, along with a quicker 0 - 60....

Think of it as you do when you look at a classic compaired to an 04. it's all for the R&D to make them #1 in sales and customer satisfaction.

So.. do they need to make a huge power house hybrid luxury car?... yeah.. where else do you expect them to test the V8 Category? trucks?.. nah.. it would fail with the abuse they add to the system. This is good testing grounds.