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Beginning of the end for LF wheel bearing?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Classic_pri, May 12, 2015.

  1. Classic_pri

    Classic_pri Former 2001 Prius 0wner

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    I drove our 2007 Prius (79K miles) the other day and noticed a whirring or slight grating noise whenever I loaded up the left front wheel (by steering right) at speed. It's far from a hum or a howl at this point.

    I pointed it out to dear wife, who drives the car more often than I do, and suggested she let me know if it gets noisier.

    Any thoughts out there on what the noise might be? It doesn't take much of a shift in the steering wheel to make it occur.
     
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    also the cv joint, possibly, but bearing more likely. or bad tyre?
     
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    Have it looked at immediately!! If that bearing go's at highway speed it will be disastrous...

    This is nothing to play around with.
     
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    For a bit of perspective, don't ignore it, and do get it fixed as soon as you've ID'd what's going. I've had to change two wheel bearings on my 2001, the right rear and the left front. When the right rear was going, my schedule was requiring weekly 600 mile trips with very little time for anything else, and it took me about 2100 miles before I pinned down the failing bearing. It was definitely noisy and rough when I replaced it, but it was still nowhere near catastrophic failure. (In fact, it totally held up to the several minutes of slide hammering I needed to separate the hub assembly from the axle beam, and it came out intact.)

    When it was my front bearing, I started noticing the sound in July or August, and pinned down which bearing it was by about mid-September, and replaced it a couple weeks later.

    As far as construction goes, the rear wheel hubs (non-driving) are only held onto the car by the bearings, and once a bearing is simply worn past a certain point, a wheel could depart from the car. The bearing would seem terribly noisy and loose before that happened.

    As for the front wheel hub, it isn't going anywhere as long as the big staked nut is there on the end of the drive axle. Maybe if the bearing totally seized, made smoke and molten metal and destroyed the axle end. I have no idea how long you'd have to ignore all the signs to have a risk of that happening. So, just don't ignore it, and make some time in the schedule to take care of it.

    I did find a video (below) showing a vehicle after loss of a non-drive wheel (that vehicle is a rear-wheel-drive so it was a front wheel that separated, although the vehicle was pointed the other way by the time it came to rest).

    For extreme perspective, I think my favorite Prius complaint ever filed with NHTSA is number 10166051. The first sentence gives you "POTENTIAL FOR FATAL INJURY DUE TO LOSS OF CONTROL BECAUSE OF FAULTY DRIVER'S SIDE REAR AXLE HUB BEARING FAILURE WITH SEPARATION OF WHEEL FROM VEHICLE" and you have to finish reading the whole complaint before you realize
    1. "POTENTIAL" applies to the whole first sentence, the wheel never separated, the removed hub/bearing was only "NEARLY AT A COMPLETE FAILURE POINT" when the owner finally had it changed, and
    2. That was in 2006, after the owner had ignored the noise since 2003 with it growing to "80-100 DECIBEL SOUND LEVEL IN PASSENGER COMPARTMENT"!o_O
    So ... don't become unintendedly famous on the NHTSA site ... don't wait three years to change your bearing! (Or if you do, certainly don't file an NHTSA complaint of a car defect!)

    -Chap

     
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    Thanks for the replies, folks ... I've driven more than a couple cars with noisy wheel bearings, and if this bearing is on its way out, I'm pretty sure I've got some breathing room before the wheel parts ways with the car. The fact of the matter is, you could mistake the noise I'm hearing for tire tread noise if it wasn't so dependent on steering input.

    I'm ignorant about servo-assisted steering, so my main worry was that the noise might be coming from the rack. As I recall the Gen 1 Prii had some steering problems, but the symptoms included unpleasant vibration. I'm getting none of that.

    My wife is coming home from a 20-mile trip later tonight. After she arrives I'll check to see if any of the wheels are unusually warm. After that, I suppose I'll have to jack up the car and take a closer look
     
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    I think conventional hydraulic power steering also qualifies as a servo, so I'm guessing you just mean you're not familiar with the electric kind. The trouble with the Gen 1 rack would be a noisy feedback signal coming back from the torque sensor. The symptoms tended to be a twitchy feeling in the steering wheel (usually right around the straight-ahead position where it spends most of its time), occasional shutting down of the power assist (with or without the "PS" icon illuminated on the MFD warning screen), or the classic one, steering wheel shaking like a wet dog in your hands during a low-speed maneuver while you have a light grip. (If that ever happens to you, just grip more firmly. It's not a matter of having to muscle the servo into submission; you just couple the mass of your arms into the system, changing its resonant frequency and the oscillation typically dies right out. In contrast, a lot of the NHTSA reports are from drivers who reacted by letting go of the wheel and were treated to a much longer sustained show of violent shaking back and forth.) A steering code, typically C1513, will be stored if you are in this lucky club.

    It won't sound like a bad wheel bearing. :)

    -Chap
     
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    That's just the info I was looking for, Chap. Thank you.
     
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    OP, just curious: what tire pressures are you running at? Per Toyota spec, or significantly higher?

    I've never heard so many reports of wheel bearing failure, grasping at straws.

    I'm coming from a lot of Honda's, where CV joint failure was more common, FWIW.
     
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    I like to keep the tires around 35 psi. I have a Touring, so the aspect ratio is a little lower than the standard version -- the ride is plenty firm enough for me without pumping up the tires over 40 psi.

    The noise I'm hearing reminds me of the noise the center support bearing made on my old Mercedes 300TD after the bearing carrier bushing had rusted out. That's why a bearing was my first suspicion
     
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    I finally got around to jacking up the car this afternoon. I can feel the right front wheel shift when I rock it in and out (lug bolts are tight).

    Funny, I always thought a bad bearing was supposed to complain when you steered the car in the opposite direction ... not this time apparently.
     
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    I too am surprised a bearing would fail at just 79,000 miles. We bought the car used with 35000 miles on it, so I suppose the car might have seen some wheel-curb impacts before we bought it that may have shortened the bearing's life (there aren't a lot of curbs where the car resides now).
     
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    Just a final update -- I took the car in to a trusted suspension shop and they concluded that BOTH front bearings were bad. That made sense to me, as I found excessive play at the right front wheel and I got noise when I turned the steering wheel to the right (suggesting the left bearing was bad). $550 later, we're back in business. Other than tires, that's the first significant repair I've had to pay for on this car.
     
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    I really am not savvy re bearings, but that seems a good price. :)
     
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    I've been using these guys for 20 years (Big Bear Tire). I'd recommend them to anybody in southeastern Wisconsin. Since they had to take the left steering knuckle off to get the bearing out, they also did a wheel alignment, which was included in the final bill.

    Hard to believe both front bearings were faulty at less than 80K miles, but they clearly were. I asked the shop owner if he had seen other Priuses come in with bad wheel bearings and he acknowledged that it was not uncommon.
     
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    must be the slat.