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Miles or Years - can I expect 150,000 miles over 20 years?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by JerseyStudent, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. JerseyStudent

    JerseyStudent New Member

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    Just bought a 2006 Prius with 96,000 miles (now 97,000 miles) in a private sale. I don't expect to drive more than 5,000 miles a year, maybe less.

    When the High Voltage battery goes I'll be faced with a decision - do I replace with a remanufactored battery for about $1100 plus installation, or do I spring for a new Totoyta OEM battery. My theory is that battery life is mostly due to years, while engine, transmission, and inverter is mostly about miles. Electronics I'm not sure. So if the battery goes in the next year or two and I replace it with OEM new battery, will I get to 2026 and 150,000 miles in all likelihood? When it happens, I'll probably have to decide quickly, so I want to figure this out in advance.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    You're wanting to keep a car to 20 years old? You take your chances over 10 years. It might be running sweet at 20 years, but it's anyones guess.
     
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    In 20 years time, many parts will wear out. If you buy a new hv battery, chances are your drivetrain will still be good
     
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    Probably you would be ok. Here average car used for more than 20 years. Gen 2 Prius doesn’t seem to have much common failing parts.
     
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    It depends mostly on you. Are you the type who will perform (or have someone else perform) preventive maintenance? Or are you more likely to want to just drive it and forget it?

    Mechanically, the Prius is capable of hundreds of thousands of miles if maintained.

    You're in the North East, so rust is a consideration due to salted roads in the winter -- assuming you drive it year round.​
     
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    i would go for the oem. and hope for 10 years.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Follow the maintenance schedule assiduously and watch the DIY videos on this sight that detail 100K maintenance.
    It's really not much, and if you have DIY skills I'd consider changing the transaxle fluid soon, as this may not have been done yet.

    Put the money that you save in fuel/car payments into the bank, and then the dreaded traction battery replacement is an already funded transaction, and you can worry about better things.

    Good Luck.
     
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    The 2006 Prius if bought from NJ or other CARB state owner should be covered under CARB warranty until 10-yrs old. Especially in CARB states Toyota also seems to give good discounts on replacement batts even outisde the warranty window if you play your cards right. So I believe the plan needs to be new OEM batt unless you cannot get a discount and you're looking at $4000 cost. Maybe put into your thinking a back-up vehicle to give yourself a week to sort out options when the time comes.

    PS- $1100 sounds low for good quality for example Greentec
     
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    Falcon charges 950 for Gen 2 cells, 1350 for rebuilt using Gen 3 cells. I am local to them so no shipping. They charge 200 to install. So 1150 was assuming I could get the car their and have them install the Gen 2 rebuilt.
     
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    I'm just going to separate the reality that with any aging vehicle numerous maintenance and repair issues can start to arise. The Prius is no exception to this rule, and I will focus solely on best bet to reach 2026 with a replacement HV battery. And I would say, OEM replacement is preferable.

    Personally, and this is an odd dynamic. But for me? I kind of take the approach of NOT worrying at all about the HV battery until that day it does fail ultimately comes.
    Making the decision today concerning OEM or Re-manufactured replacement?
    Well since predicting when that failure may or may not happen is pretty difficult, I say just enjoy it being OK...until it isn't. It may happen suddenly and without warning, but I think when it does happen you'll want to evaluate the whole picture of your vehicle at that time.

    The only thing I might do on a slow afternoon is research local or accessible/possible re-manufactured battery options. If that is the direction you think you might be leaning towards at the time. Trying to find a reputable option quickly or immediately might be daunting.

    But otherwise? If it ain't broke, I ain't worrying about the day I have to fix it, until the day I have to fix it.
     
  11. Eclipse1701d

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    IMHO, the Prius likes to be driven. 5,000 miles a year is pretty low. I actually believe that the less you drive, the more likely it is that the HV battery will fail... Sitting for long stretches, and short trips are the equivalent of krypton to the HV battery over time. Your 12 Volt battery may also need to be supplemented with a trickle charger in that scenario.
     
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    I have driven 240,000 miles since I bought my car new in 10-2004. Personally if I was driving just 5,000 miles a year I would definitely not buy a Prius.
     
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    I am not sure where Falcon fits on our quality list, but just so you know most of the real "pros" such as Lucious Garage and Boulder Hybrids have gone to new Toyota replacement batts as the rebuilts are not reliable enough. If you're lucky, the company will still be in business and in that case they will honor the warranty. A lot of the real expereinced folks here would rather have the new batt if at all possible. The thing is you are saying hold onto the car for the long haul which implies you don't want spend time replacing batts all the time.
     
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    Toyota makes great cars and trucks.. How about a corolla or something. I own a 85 toy longded 4X thay has less miles than my 04 prius. Paints dead, motor burns a ton of oil, super slow. a/c still works, brakes, power steering etc go forever. Am buying new hv batt for prius. Would not be worth it if I did not drive it a LOT.
     
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    If it were any other manufacture I would say no. But with a Toyota, 20 years is nothing, neither is 250K miles. But you must maintain them by the book. I had a Toyota truck with 320K miles, which was close to 20 years old. Unfortunately it was stolen :(
     
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    I live in a valley. Always going up and down hills whenever I get in the car. Previous cars use lots of brake pads and rotors. Also, relatively large benefits of regeneration. Yes, I could use the transmission as a brake, but got out of that habit due to Honda Odyssey which I junked after its third transmission failed. Plus, I really love how you never have to worry about starting in cold weather (I have a 2012 Prius which gets driven about 12,000 miles/year mostly by my wife).
    Then there is also the possibility I will end up driving more than I expect.

    So absolutely it makes no sense to buy a new Prius for 5000 miles a year. That's why I bought the one I did. The amount I paid was the maximum price point I felt comfortable self insuring collision and comprehensive, which are wicked expensive in this area. If I don't have an at fault accident or have the car stolen, it will hopefully work out as a reasonable deal. Plus I like reducing my carbon footprint.
     
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    I agree that you might want to purchase a new Toyota HV pack when you experience failure. Keep running the HV batt that's already in it for as long as it lasts--it could still last a while.

    All those inclines can be tough on the HV battery--it's been theorized here that frequent, rapid changes of HV state-of-charge can stress the pack.

    Honda/Acura sure did have a rough patch with those automatic transmissions, didn't they?

    I also still drive a 1985 Toyota 4wd, brucebee. It's very easy to own and shows no signs of stopping.

    I'm in the "HV batt kryptonite" group...the '07 probably goes about 5k miles/year. It still works like new though, and I'm hoping to keep it a long time (at least another 10-15 years).
     
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    Just had my 2006 hv battery replaced. Called Toyota and they gave me help. They covered half the price of the battery. With dealer coupon, I got a Toyota battery installed for $1680.

    HTC6500LVW ?
     
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    This is great news I am in the same boat as you if my batt dies (non CARB state). I don't know if everyone can expect such assistance or more so for orig owners. How many miles on the 2006?
     
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    139,500. And I bought it used from the dealer 2 yrs ago

    HTC6500LVW ?