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Just Bought an 09 Prius - need help on getting to know its sounds

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by TheWiredWorld, Aug 11, 2015.

  1. TheWiredWorld

    TheWiredWorld New Member

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    Okay everyone, in many thanks to this sub, and to other forums on the internet, I went ahead and got a pretty good deal on an 09. I'm a veteran of used vehicles (1994 Toyota Corolla, and a 1989 Chevy G20 Hightop van), so I know what I got myself into. I knew it needed some work, I knew the upkeep costs of the vehicle, etc. I've over all pretty thrilled for an '09 with 180k miles on it for $4900, but it needs some work.

    One of the big things to me, since I've never driven another Prius, is getting to know its sounds. I know a Hybrid is radically different than those 2 cars I mentioned, so I figure things are gonna be foreign. With this being said, I suspect there may be problems.

    • The first being, what I've gathered to be, the break actuator noise. It intermittently makes a, what is the best description, is a seal noise. I say "noise", because to be accurate, a bark is not like it. It just makes a little whirring sound every now and then, and only when pressing the break. I'm starting to gather that it's absolutely not a problem, until it absolutely is a problem. How many of you have a tiny little sound go off when you break sometimes, or release the break pedal?

    • Another sound is when I turn the car off, usually a few seconds after turning it off, and within the span of a minute afterwards, I will hear a pretty audible whirring sound coming from somewhere in under the hood. Is this normal? It's nothing like insane, no metal clanking (that would be a misfire), no explosions, no squealing, just what kind of sounds like a very low power generator working, or just some sort of appliance whirring. It will do it for about 3 second intervals, maybe once, at most twice, within the span of a minute after turning the car off. Is this normal?
    Other than this, it seems to be in fairly good shape. I would have hoped it would be in better shape considering it's an 09, but I gotta get what I can get.

    Anyways, thanks.
     
  2. Hasan

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    Are both noises the same?

    The second is definitely not a fault, that's just the braking system recharging or some such and is perfectly normal. Happens on both of ours all the the time.

    LG-H815 ?
     
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    The sounds you describe are normal. You aren't getting any warning lights on the dashboard, or check engine light? If not, and brake performance doesn't seem to be affected, then don't worry about it.
     
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    The sound you are describing is considered normal. It is what you suspect, the actuator for the brakes. The Prius braking system is very complex and unlike traditional brakes on most vehicles. I have driven more than one Gen II Prius (2009) and heard the same noise. Other's have commented on it and have been told it is normal on this board.

    The sound you are describing is normal. There is a thermos bottle that stores hot coolant and recirculates it into the ICE upon start up to aid in getting the ICE up to normal operating temp quickly. Sometimes that pump can get pretty noisy, especially during the winter. The thermos is hidden in front of the wheel well on the drivers side.

    Best of luck to you,
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    You've already seen the answers, but I know sometimes an answer is more satisfying if there's an explanation with it, so:

    Most cars have power assisted brakes these days. The conventional way to do that is to have a big "booster" between your brake pedal and the master cylinder. In most cars it looks like a big round tub that the master cylinder bolts onto, and it has a hose leading to the engine. There's a big flexible diaphragm inside that tub, and vacuum created by the engine intake is on one side of it, and when you step on the brake, atmospheric pressure behind the diaphragm shoves in the same direction, and adds to the force you put on the pedal.

    A Prius can't work that way at all, because the engine isn't always running while you drive. So it needs a different way to boost your braking effort. What it does involves a metal can called the "accumulator" containing a bellows and a high-pressure gas, and an electric pump. The pump forces brake fluid into the can, against the gas bellows, until the can is filled with fluid at a couple thousand PSI of pressure. When you step on the brake, some of that pressurized brake fluid enters the master cylinder too and adds to the force you put on the pedal. (The antilock brake system can also make use of that pressurized fluid by opening valves under computer control.) When you back off the brake, the fluid travels back to the reservoir, so with every use of the brakes, some of the pressure in the accumulator is used up. Whenever the pressure goes below a minimum, the electric pump runs again and pumps it back up to the max. That's the sound you're hearing.

    Notice I called this thing where the pressurized fluid is kept the accumulator. There is also a part in your car that's called the brake actuator (it's the box with the valves controlled by the ABS computer) and they're easy to confuse in the Gen 2 because they're in the same assembly and you can't buy them separately any more (from Toyota at least), but still, when you hear that sound, it's the accumulator pump you're hearing.

    If the computer ever detects that pump isn't working right, it will light up BRAKE and ABS lights on your dash and sound a high-pitched beep. Pay attention if that happens, because it means you might (or might not) have a few stops left you can make with boost power (on whatever pressure is left in the accumulator), but after that you'll be braking on foot power alone and it will get a lot harder to stop the car.

    -Chap
     
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  6. TheWiredWorld

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    Thanks so much everyone! This put me at ease.

    Ofcourse, with the miles on the car, I know it's a matter of time before the battery goes out, so I'm saving as much as I can.
     
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    Thanks. I've been waiting for this. Great write up.
     
  8. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    The others have answered it - brake accumulator pump (like a buzzing sound) and coolant thermos pump (well, it sounds like a pump sucking up something lol).