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Inverter Troubles

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by JDB1234, Aug 11, 2015.

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    I recently purchased a 2006 prius with 115k miles. A few days after purchase several lights on dash yellow brake light, vsc, red triangle, battery lights on display were also on. I took it to my local Toyota dealer. They said it may be my 12v battery going bad they cleared the codes and said if they come back on they would change the 12v battery. After reading posts on this forum I just ordered a optima yellow top and changed the battery. Two days later same lights are on again. I returned to Touota the had the car for 2 days and told me bad inverter est of 4600 to fix. They said they were 100% sure it was bad inverter, Codes were POA08A-264 and POA09-591. I purchased a used inverter for salvage yard on ebay seller rating 99.8% and also so coolant from Toyota. Install was easy thanks to PRIUSchat. After 3 days RED TRIANGLE and check engine light. Code was POA7A I do not have the other 3 digits because my little scanner didnt tell me them but it said Generator inverter performance. I cleared the code. The next morning while starting the car the red triangle, check engine light, vsc light, and yellow brake light are on. Codes that I could see were C1310, and POA7A. A strange thing was I was so upset with the lights that I failed to notice the engine had not started and I headed out to work. I noticed the engine wasn't running after about 1/4 of a mile of driving. I pulled over shut it down and then it started right up and drove normal. Please help me figure this out. I will try to get the last 3 of the POA7A and will post. Question is do I have another bad inverter or a bad transmission or ECU. Many thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge. I have circulation in the invert coolant tank there is no air in the system. I have 12.4 volts at AUX battery. When in ready I have 13.8V at battery.
     
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    1. Subscribe to techinfo.toyota.com so that you can see how to verify the wiring harness between the inverter and the hybrid vehicle ECU.
    2. If the wiring harness is good then the replacement used inverter is not working properly.
    3. Under what conditions did you measure 12.4V? If the car was IG-OFF then this voltage reading is marginal and you should fully-charge the battery overnight. Other members have recently noticed that their new Optima batteries were in a semi-discharged state upon purchase.
     
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    JDB,

    If you need the Maintenance manual for your 2006 Prius, send me a PM. Steve at Prius hybrids sales and service Scottsburg Indiana (500 miles away in southern Indiana) is a reliable source of salvaged Prius parts and Prius repair knowledge.

    JeffD
     
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    welcome to priuschat, all the best!(y)

    excellent.
     
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    Thank you for the information. The seller I purchased the used inverter from is sending me another inverter at no cost with no need to return the inverter I just purchased from him. I will recheck my battery voltage and charge if needed. Toyota told me they checked all the wiring and connections and that they were all good.

    I have 12.85v on battery with car off.

    I am just wondering why the lights only appear when starting the prius up. Then the lights will do out. The lights never come on while driving only on start up.
     
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    But at start up they DO stay on for a bit?
     
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    Yes they stay on untill i restart the car about 2 times. After they go off I have stopped and restarted the car 50 times in a row no lights.
     
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    sounds like you're all good.(y)
     
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    Well went out this am to go to work. The light is on again. I am still waiting for the other inverter to arrive. I watched the voltage on my 12v battery and when I pushed the start button it dropped to 11.1V. I will pull that battery out when i get home and charge it over night. Perhaps I got a bad 12V or something is drawing m battery down when it sits over night. I double checked to make sure a light wasn't staying on in the car with the door closed. The triangle and check engine light only come on when the car has been sitting overnight and started.
     
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    After the Prius became READY, did the voltage increase to 13.8V as your OP indicated?

    Exactly which warning lights are on now?
     
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    Your Inverter is responsible for charging, however slowly, the 12v battery in "ready" mode. What is the 12v voltage in Ready mode? It should be just below or just above (weak 12v battery) 14 volts.

    Pat beat me to this :)

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    Yes it went to 13.8V in ready. Red triangle and check engine light. Same code POa7a. Iv ordered a minivci cable but it wont be here for 2 weeks. I just can figure out why it only happens after the car sits over night. I would think if the inverter is bad or intermittently bad it would throw codes and turn on light at different times. After I drive the car and restart it the light goes out no more codes. Like i said yesterday I drove the car around and shut it down restarted it 50 times and no lights. Then this morning BAM. If you watch the news and see a Prius rolling down the road it flames....

    Another update: I went out and turned my headlights on left them on for 1 hr checked the voltage of aux Bat and it was 11.9 car was on but not in ready mode but my foot on brake car started fine no codes. Bat voltage dropped to 11.4 when i pressed start button with foot on brake then went to 14.5v in ready. So seems the system detected low aux battery and supplied more voltage to charge it. I do not think my problems are related to aux battery voltage. I will go ahead and get the instructions to check the ecu wiring.
     
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    You can check phantom current draw with the mini amperage scale of a multimeter. Disconnect the 12 volt's neg lead, then reclose the circuit with the meter in the circuit.

    Specifically: connect alligator clipped leads to negative battery post and (disconnected) negative cable, run them out across the hatch threshold and gently close the hatch on them. Hook up your meter to these leads.

    Leave it to sit for maybe 15 minutes, with all fobs well away from the car, then see what kind of readings you get.

    Doing that I saw 16~18 milliamperes, with occasional spikes to around 40.
     
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    To give you guys an update. I checked the current draw of the battery as Mendel suggested and got almost the same draw values. I went out this am and tested the aux battery voltage at 12.8 with the rear gate open nothing on. The Prius started right up and NO lights. I will keep my figures crossed. Thanks for all your suggestions and for sharing your knowledge.
     
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    Well drove the car to hardies and was waiting at the drive up window. Then check engine light comes on engine a few seconds later red triangle then engine dies then a bunch of lights. Engine would restart and die. I got it going and made it back to the house. Scanner and to my surprise I have a new code PO121. Perhaps this is related to the car not starting in the morning a the lights coming on?????
     
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    DTC P0121 means the throttle position sensor has a problem. The sensor delivers two separate voltages to the engine ECU which are supposed to differ, within the range of 0.8V - 1.6V. If the voltage difference exceeds, or is less than, that range, then the ECU will log that code.

    You might check the wiring harness connector to that sensor, using electrical contact cleaner spray on the connector and sensor terminals. If that doesn't help and you don't see obvious damage to the wiring harness, then the throttle body would need to be replaced (the sensor is not designated field replaceable.)

    You could look for, and install, a decent used part if you decide the throttle body is at fault.
     
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    Thank you Patrick. I checked the wiring and didn't see an thing that looked suspect so I pulled off the throttle body it was very dirty. I cleaned it and put everything back together so far so good. I have not had the p0a7a for 3 days now. I will keep at it until it's fixed. I am planning on a long trip next week if no codes over the weekend.
     
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    Ok well guess what I haven't had any lights on since I cleaned the throttle body. Thanks all for your input. I will be Making a 700 mile trip leaving tomorrow. All seems to be well I still have the first used inverter in the car. Once again thanks and I will post a follow up after my trip.
     
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    I don't doubt that the throttle interior and throttle plate needed to be cleaned. However my guess is that the P0121 code cleared due to your removing/replacing the wiring harness connector to the throttle position sensor, which would clean the contacts and potentially get rid of an intermittent connection.
     
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    Almost 900 miles later no warning lights. Cheers.
     
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