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Discussion in 'Prius v Fuel Economy' started by emm0119, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. emm0119

    emm0119 New Member

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    Is there a good guide somewhere to the various averages buried throughout the displays in the 2015 v? I've got the three, so I'm asking for those with the extra information display. Sorry if it's somewhere here and I missed it in my searches.

    I just got my 2015 v on Friday (absolutely love it), and I'm trying to figure out the differences between the various avg mpgs you can find in various displays. Trip A and B seem obvious - avg mpg since the trip was reset. What about the avg that is shown with the main odometer reading? My impression is that it's reset to zero every time the car is turned off, but I haven't noticed it matching the mpg and distance driven displayed just after the car is turned off. Maybe it does, and I'm just not catching it? Is there a lifetime average hidden anywhere, or is the closest you can get just not ever clearing the history in the Eco app?

    Also, since I'm new here - here's a pic of my new baby. Whatever the odometer mpg avg represents, I got that to 49.9 by the time I got home from a trip across town on my first real day of ownership. Mix of highway and local through-fare type roads. I'm feeling pretty darn good about that, considering I'm only just learning the ropes.
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    you get 4 averages? cool! i would have to think the one with the odo is lifetime, but idk.
     
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    The odometer average is reset on the History Screen, if you never reset History, it is a lifetime average.
     
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    I'm getting better milage when I run the air conditioning unit? In the 60 mpg range. Is it calculating correct? 20150813_184716.jpg 20150813_184716.jpg
     
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    if you turn off the a/c and open the windows, the aerodynamics drop, to the detriment of gas mileage.
     
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    Depending on how fast you're going. Plus, you can just crack the windows an inch or so, at higher speeds.
     
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    and get rain gutters.
     
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    Correct, no lifetime average unless you never re-set history. Keep in mind that the average displayed is calculated by distance traveled. Assuming you use a trip meter for each tank and watch the average for that tank, expect to see what I call "average creep" from day to day. That is, driving the same trips every day the tank average will creep up or down as you progress through that tank. The only average that really counts for anything is the one you see just before you fill up again. Expect that to be ~2-3 mpg higher than the actual mpg.
     
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    so is the one with the odometer a third resettable average?
     
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    I always felt the instantaneous display was the most useful. It shows how you are doing and gives you feedback about your driving style. I leave the display set to that mode. Most of the other display settings seem to have a imprecision when compared to the simple math of miles driven divided by gallons consumed.

    For an accurate average, use an app like fuelly.com and maintain it fanatically with every fuel up. The each-tank numbers aren't nearly as important (as they can vary 20 MPG with the fuel shut off variances or they have for me) as the long term trends and, as you put on the miles and fill the tanks, the numbers start to be even more meaningful.

    I don't drive to achieve the max mpg. I just drive at generally moderate speeds and rates of acceleration. I use ECO mode, auto for the HVAC and cruise control where I can. My tires are 38 in front and 36 in the rear. I achieve EPA averages or so close it matters not. That others do better, more credit to them. I attribute their better numbers to some combination of climate, terrain, and driving style.
     
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    Just like to comment: the "fuelly app" is not a necessity to calculate mpg. Yes it can do the job, but a bit of simple arithmetic is all that's needed.

    You can use pencil and paper, a calculator, a spreadsheet, or fuelly.

    I do agree: the main thing is to stick at it, log distance travelled and gas consumed, consistently.
     
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    Ok, thanks everybody! I hit clear on the history screen just after getting the car home, before I really understood what I was doing, so one might say, long-term, it's essentially my lifetime average. The car had about 20 miles on it when I got it on Friday (6 of them were my test trive). I'm not sure about the ODO avg matching the history average - yesterday the average listed in the history screen was in the 30s, and the ODO avg on the dash was 47. I have a theory that maybe I need to hit update on the past record in order for the avg there to match - my task today is to try and remember to test that and to also watch closely to see whether the ODO avg matches the trip avg flashed after shutting off the system.

    As to the variability of the pump shut-offs - anybody have any theories about whether this variability is from pump to pump, or is there also variance across fill-ups at the same pump? We get our gas at Costco 99% of the time, and I could go so far as to try and hit the same pump every time...
     
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    i'm not sure you want them to be the same. maybe it's different info. as far as gas pumps are concerned, you're overthinking things.
     
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    Welcome...I always liked the dark blue color
     
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    For my calcs I record the odometer at every fill up. I do reset a trip meter, but purely for feedback and as a check. If anything screws up the odometer is the one constant.

    With the odo reading and the gas pumped on your receipt you're set. As far as pump variables, ANY ups and downs are quickly cancelled out, from one fill up to the next.
     
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    Haha, I'm an engineering PhD - overthinking things is how I make a living. ;) Tracking the ODO and gallons filled has always been how I've calculated it in the past.

    I watched the meters this morning and have it figured out. This is true for the 2015 Prius v three - I can't speak to any other years or the two trim w/o the extra info display.
    ODO mpg = avg mpg since starting the car. I starts at 0 and works up. If you cycle the upper display through to the "since starting" mpg page, it's the same value. The final ODO mpg is what it shows you just after turning the car off (basically summarizing the final "since starting" display).
    Inside the Eco/Car app - Past record average mpg = avg mpg for all miles since last hitting clear. If you never clear it, this is lifetime avg. EDIT - This is wrong - see my next post for corrected explanation.
     
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    While fuelly is not a necessity, the fact that I want a record, that it is free and it provides lots of interesting displays, histories, and comparisons motivates me to record the odometer reading on the receipt before I pull away from the pump. I actually enter the data on my home computer before handing the receipt to the accounting side of the family. I don't even use the mobile app though that is something I could use. fuelly also provides the updated data to go in a signature here.

    Without that routine, I doubt I'd have the complete record back to my first tank.

    Tank variability is something I've experienced twice very obviously when a premature shut off gave me wildly optimistic MPG on that tank while the average was regained when the next tank gave atrocious MPG. The variation can be caused by the nozzle being inserted in a variable way or a variable in the fuel shut off itself. That is why I don't pay too much attention to a single tank reading as I tend to fill at the half full point and even a slight variation in so small a sample can give wildly differing readings. I focus on the long term multi-tank trends. I thus grab the first pump available, who cares because the reality will sort itself out.
     
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    Sorry - I mispoke - The average above the graph in the past record is the average since you last hit update, NOT the "lifetime" avg since you last hit clear. Once you hit update, that average, which is the same as the yellow bar in the graph, resets to 0 and the yellow bar turns green.
     
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    Pretty much all the displays have changed in 2015, so prev years' meters don't relate. Presumably the manual covers all this.
     
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    All true, and yeah as you can see from my signature, I'm using Fuelly as well. I started out with a spreadsheet, missed maybe the first 2000 kms, before I started taking records. After doing just the spreadsheet for a year or two I signed on with Fuelly, as a back up, and for the icon. I found a way to make a restructured version of my spreadsheet, and import all my previous entries in one pop. Now, I update the spreadsheet, then enter the same data on Fuelly.

    When I started I think my stat was somewhere around 5.2 (liters/100 km). Currently at 5.0, my goal is to make it 4.9. With over a 100 fillups it takes a while. Currently at 4.96, so it still rounds up.