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Automatic Day Night Mirror fix for inadequate dimming

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by AHetaFan, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. AHetaFan

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    From day 1 I hated driving my Prius plugin advanced at night because of the Automatic day night mirror. It doesn't dim enough automatically to be in any way comparable to every manual day night mirror in every other car I have driven. At first I would carry a AAA penlight and hold it up to the headlight sensor to force it to dim down more when headlights behind got too annoying. While it solved the problem, holding a light up to the sensor gets old fast. After confirming with the dealer that the mirror is working correctly and not defective I pondered solutions. I use the home link buttons and was not able to find a manual day night mirror with home link which would fit. Since I knew I could get the dimming I want by shining a flashlight on the headlight sensor I decided to attach a LED permanently over this sensor and wire it in so it comes on with the headlights.

    1) I bought this "Little Dot SMD Accent Light" led: Little Dot SMD LED Accent Light | Tractor LED Accent Lighting TAK | LED Tractor Application Guide | LED Work Lights | Super Bright LEDs

    2) I filed off excess material around the perimeter of the LED so it would fit nicely centered in the recess leading to the headlight sensor on the mirror. Glued it in place with JB weld epoxy. Used black electrical tape to cover the lead from the front to back of the mirror and taped the wire to the mirror pivot post after a partial wrap around it to allow full mirror movement without stressing the wiring.

    3) To get inside where the mirror wires run I ran the wire up through the gap between the mirror mounting bracket and mount plate attached to the windshield. I chose to connect the black wire to ground via one of the mirrors wires but might not do that if doing it again since that wasn't very easy to do. It can be run along with the red wire and connected to ground elsewhere. The red wire I ran past the mirror wire connector to the space beyond but still under the black plastic wire cover and attached a male bullet connector.

    4) Now all I needed was power that goes on and off with the headlights. I tapped into the brown wire behind the left lower dash panel as described below and ran the wire up to the mirror where I attached a female bullet connector and plugged it in to the red wire from the LED.

    I got power from the The brown wire that is active when your parking lights or head lights are on. Details for accessing and tapping into the wire begin at step 4 on this page:
    DIY: How to add aftermarket OEM-style fog lights to a 2012 3rd gen Toyota Prius Two, Three or Four (non-Five models); complete retrofit installation guide with wiring diagram | Balancing Act

    Now whenever the headlights go on this little LED shines brightly on the mirrors headlight sensor telling it to dim to maximum. Problem solved. Now mirror dimming is truly automatic. If for some reason I have yet to discover I don't want the mirror to dim, all I have to do is turn off the mirrors power switch. Home link works either way.

    Update 9-7-15: Pics added. It is closer and may be easier to get power from the shift knob illumination light which is located between the dome lights as Maarten28 suggested. The wires leading to it were not visible from the covers I removed. I don't know how you gain access to that wire. It may be a simple matter to remove the roof console to gain access to the lights wiring but I have not tried. Perhaps one of you will figure out how to tap into the shift knob illumination light and report back in this thread.
     

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  2. Maarten28

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    Interesting! I too am very annoyed by the automatic dim. It is just too little and always kicks in too late.
    Do you have any pictures?

    I assume you run the wires up to the headliner? Maybe it's an idea to use the power of the led that illuminates the shifter knob? Then it turns on whenever the Prius thinks the outside illumination goes down.
     
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    Yes the wires from the LED run up into the headliner. The power to the LED glued to the mirror just runs from the brown wire behind the lower left instrument panel up inside the left front pillar and tucked in across the front edge of the headliner to the mirror. The linked instructions detail how to get to the brown wire which once I knew how the parts came off as detailed the linked instructions was quick and easy to get to. All I did beyond that is pull off the left front pillar cover starting from the top edge next to the headliner. Oh yes there is a plastic cover in the headliner just above the mirror where the mirror wires go into the headliner which I also just pulled off. I don't have any pictures of the mirror because everything is black and won't show up well enough. The mirror looks just like always except the headlight sensor is no longer visible replaced by black tape over the LED and leads.

    You might be able to get power from the shifter illumination light. I didn't think about that possibility. I don't know when that light is on or off because I don't notice it.
     
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    i didn't realize more light would cause it to dim more. i'll have to try it on my wife's hycam, night driving makes me crazy. thanks!(y)
     
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    interesting fix, can you post pictures of what you have done, it would guide us.
     
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    I've been thinking a bit more about this fix.
    Firstly: the mirror also has power, so it could be an option to power the LED from the mirror itself.
    But secondly: why use a LED at all? Would it not be possible to fool the sensor that it is always getting a lot of light. It is just an optocoupler so I imagine the output of the sensor is either 0 or 12V when receiving light. Then the only thing to do is hook the output to the required voltage and you can switch the dimming with the auto button.
    That would be the only issue with these options: it would not be tied to the headlights running but you'd always have to switch if someone bothers you. Then again, that is how we did it in the olden days with the manual dipping lever.
     
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    Interesting idea. Ideally, a change to the circuit that alters the threshold (sensitivity) would be a superior fix. Any research towards this type of modification would be more appealing to me.
     
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    Yes there is power at the mirror but it is preasent 24/7 so the led is on all the time. I used that to test out how well it would work.

    I also wanted to open the mirror and bypass the sensor. I wasn't able to figure out how to open the mirror without breaking something.
     
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    My opinion: the mirror is one of those things that works reasonably well. Maybe a little underreactive, but it's a balancing act: if they make it much darker it'll be reducing visibility too much.

    And I know: I've talked myself into wild-and-wooly projects more times than I care to admit.
     
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    It probably is somewhat subjective what the right balance is. Not trying to talk you into a project or anything by my comments here but I think you raise a valid point and for many the mirror may be just fine without doing anything. I think perhaps some more detail on the effect might be of use in the thread. It is easy to see what the effect would be for yourself before doing the mod by holding a AAA flashlight up to the headlight sensor on the face of the mirror while driving at night. For me, my mirror isn't capable of dimming too much even with my mod. When it is fully dark out the effect is reasonably comparable to the effect of a typical manual day/night mirror flipped up to night position after my mod. Definitely not darker than a manual day/night mirror. I would say it is about the same to perhaps not quite as dim as a manual mirror.

    There is still automatic response to dark. The light sensor on the back of the mirror facing out the windshield still does it's thing responding to how dark out it is. When it gets dark to a certain point the mirror begins to dim and is fully dimmed by the time it is fully dark out. My mod just tells the headlight sensor there are bright lights behind so it needs to dim fully rather than the middling dim without my mod which left me half blinded by the SUV behind.
     
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    but it's less effective than the simple flip mirror, so darkening to the same amount wouldn't be hazardous.
     
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    To tell the truth, I don't notice that it's darkening much, which I guess equals it's not working that well, lol.
     
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    The mod is definitely NOT hazardous. I think the effect is the same as a manual flip mirror. You can still see headlights behind you with a manual flip mirror set to night and this is also true after my mod of the Automatic mirror. Easily judged for yourself with a flashlight held over the headlight sensor. I would argue that the Automatic mirror as delivered on the car is on the hazardous side because lights behind you are reflected into your eyes blinding bright unless the split in the rear window blocks them.
     
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    agreed.(y)
     
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    put a piece of electrical tape on the sensor behind the mirror and it will stay darkened at night, I have been doing this over 3years now. leave the tape on.
     
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    That does not make sense. The mirror darkens when light hits the sensor. Masking it with a piece of electrical tape will prevent light from hitting the sensor.
     
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    I said put the tape on the sensor on behind the mirror, that means on the back of the mirror not on the front,it darkens at night but not at day time
     
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    Ok, it will darken at night, but it won't stay dark at night, as you said before.
    And I didn't know there is a sensor on the other side to detect day or night.
     
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    the mirror will darken at night and stay darkened untill day light
     
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    I do a similar tape trick.

    I think the way it works is it compares the light coming in the front-facing sensor against the light coming in the rear-facing sensor. If the front sensor is brighter, then it's probably daylight. If the rear sensor is brighter, then it's nighttime and there are headlights behind you. Or something like that.

    That works as long as the spoiler isn't shading the rear sensor from the headlights, and you aren't in a very-well lit area. Unfortunately, many of us live in well-lit cities.

    So I took a piece of gaffer's tape (any opaque tape should suffice), and fixed it loosely over the front-facing sensor, so that the bottom, left, and right are covered. I did not attach the tape flat, but rather left it quite warped, so that it is still well-exposed to the sky. The tape's adhesive is white, which helps reflect light in. The end result is that it judges the brightness of only the sky, and masks out the headlights of oncoming traffic. It only dims at night, and only when there's traffic behind. Seems to work pretty well for me.