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    I've been reading up but thought I'd ask you all as well: what's the proper way to accelerate (as far as fuel economy goes)?

    When stopped, should I accelerate slowly and stay in EV for a while? Or, should I accelerate with some pressure but being sure to stay out of the POWER band? Is it okay to be at the top of ECO or do I want to stay even lower? Or, should I go into POWER to accelerate quickly (with the rest of the jumpy drivers here in South Florida) and then drop back into ECO? For the sake of example, let's say I'm stopped at a light and I need to get back up to speed on a 40 or 45 mph road (most common around here).

    Any info is appreciated!
     
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    on a one lane road, if you have someone behind you, it's only polite to keep up with the car in front of you.
    if there's no one behind, accelerate just to the right of eco until reaching cruising speed.
     
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    Agree with Bisco - you do however want to get to cruising speed reasonably quickly; a slow acceleration that lasts a long time could end up using more fuel than a quicker burst that lets you then cruise and coast.
     
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    Most of the roads I drive on around here are 2-3 lanes on each side. So, for clarity, keep it just outside of ECO in the beginning of POWER?

    Here's a picture of the HSI in my '13 Prius v:
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    I've been babying the accelerator and slowly working my speed up, making sure to stay in ECO at all times and to avoid PWR. Is that an inefficient way to start from a stop? Should I push harder and accelerator briskly/fast and instead get into the beginning of the PWR band (out of ECO) and stick with that until I get up to speed, at which point I let up on the accelerator and go back into ECO?
     
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    yes, you want to fire up the engine once you hit 10 mph or so. you don't want to go into the power area unless necessary. your graph is a little different than mine, i think you want to stay just into the eco area, above the line that separates it from the hybrid eco area.
     
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    Okay, so I don't want to just step on it immediately? I want to take advantage of EV up to 10 mph, and then accelerate briskly to get into PWR band (out of ECO mode) and stay in PWR band until I reach speed? Is that right?
     
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    no, see my edit above.
     
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    IMO...and it's just opinion, is don't overthink it.
    The proper way to accelerate is whatever is safest.

    Just like any vehicle, repeated aggressive jack-rabbit starts use up fuel.
    Smoother, slower accelerations use less fuel.
    But really? When I accelerate I want to be paying attention to my driving surroundings NOT where my Prius HSD graph might be at any given second.
    Unless you are starting out every single stop and start by slamming your accelerator down, then my guess is any minutia of change isn't going to make too much difference. Accelerate based on what you need to be safe in traffic, not what you imagine is giving you the most economical results, from a graph on your dash.

    The proper way to accelerate?
    Safely, given your driving environment and surroundings.
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    Mash the throttle, get to speed and set cruise control, even at 25mph, the sooner the computer runs the computer, the better the mpgs, unless you follow.
     
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    I think I'm doing it wrong. I'm babying the accelerator and creeping up to speed.

    I should mention I have Eco mode set, always.
     
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    We never use Eco mode, 99 percent Normal, and rarely Power mode.

    Don't drive much different from a normal gasser, no jackrabbit starts. You can see our fuelly mpg average below in my signature.
     
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    + 1 for post # 8.

    In that regard, noting your desire to maximize fuel savings, utilize the "power bar" screen and just try to stay of the red zone (power).
     
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    +1 for post #2 "keep up with traffic", +2 for post #8 "drive safely" and +1 for Post #12

    A couple of thoughts in support of keeping up with traffic:

    Like many Prius drivers, I initially obsessed over the display & the challenge of maximizing fuel economy, reinforcing the reputation of the Prius and its owners as slow....

    Regarding acceleration and fuel economy, my take is to encourage wider adoption of the Prius by dispelling the myth that it is an abysmally slow car. It can be driven like any normal car and easily keep up with traffic and is exceptionally fuel efficient by design.

    As for technique, the prior comments cover it. The most important fuel economy technique is to anticipate traffic and stops - coast and use regenerative braking and you'll do less accelerating as a result. I don't find overall mileage to be much affected by acceleration so unless I have the road all to myself I just go with traffic which is usually right up to or slightly in the "PWR" power area (I'm not saying to stomp on the pedal). On hills, merges & fast traffic you'll go well into PWR. You're generally in the power zone (battery assist) briefly so don't obsess over it. As mentioned, keeping it in the "Hybrid Eco area" (battery only) for more than the very first part of acceleration is no fun, annoying to passengers and other drivers and actually less efficient, there are discussions of technical reasons if you want a deeper understanding.

    It's so rewarding to drive the Prius, I like to show other drivers that it's not a slug and maybe get a few more people to consider getting one.
     
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    Really good points you've shared, so thank you!

    I'm learning that crawling up to speed like a slug might not be my best move. I'm thinking about turning off ECO mode and accelerating briskly instead. I've already changed my driving habits and set cruise on the highway, let up on cruise/accelerator when slowing down to coast, brake slowly, etc.

    The main thing I need help with is accelerating. Here in South Florida, people accelerate pretty fast off the line. Everyone is in a rush and people don't hesitant to cut off and weave in and out. I should do better to keep up with traffic.

    I've always had a lead foot but the Prius is changing that. I'm trying to be fuel efficient but I also want to drive and not baby it too much, especially during acceleration.
     
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    You're welcome - I haven't been in South Florida for a while, but fast off the line and jockeying for pole position at the next red light is common most places I've driven in the US. I'm not saying to join in the idiocy, just that pokey driving can be unsafe if it frustrates other drivers and that it reinforces the negative Prius stereotype.

    I can expand a bit on acceleration if you're interested. The driving modes ECO, Normal, and PWR mainly alter the sensitivity of the accelerator pedal, so people use them in different ways, it's mostly personal preference. ECO also moderates the cooling and heating energy use.

    To accelerate efficiently from a stop, just use the pedal smoothly but deliberately so you get up to several mph using battery. If you leave some space in front of you in line at a light you can get rolling without hanging anyone up. Then the gas engine will kick in quickly if you're accelerating anywhere near normal for the hyper drivers around you, anywhere from a bit above the midpoint of the HSI indicator to the PWR zone is very efficient. You don't want to keep accelerating on battery since using the gas engine once you're rolling is efficient (engine at optimal rpm's and no conversion losses). This is maybe the most counter-intuitive thing and the bonus is you have to use the engine to accelerate "normally" anyway. The further into the red PWR zone, the less efficient since you're using the battery to assist (conversion loss) and pushing the engine rpm's out of optimum efficiency band. But again, use whatever power you need, the engine is quite low power by itself and the PWR zone is likely needed in normal driving. To keep from hindering the drivers you're describing, you may often need to get a bit into the red. It won't much affect you're mileage & won't hurt the car.

    Since you're already clued in on coasting and regen braking, you're really getting into diminishing returns. Do you have your tires pumped up a bit over the sticker recommendation? You'll see a lot of people here recommending 40 psi and even max sidewall pressure, I've settled on just 2 to 3 psi above the sticker, again diminishing returns and the ride gets a tad harsher with higher pressure.
     
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    Yes, I'm obviously frustrating a good many people. It'd be the same in fast-paced DC, where I'm from. The Prius has changed my driving approach so I'm now longer in a rush to jump off the line. This technology should be put into all cars - we'd make huge strides in efficiency, noise, stress, and the collective carbon footprint. Anyway, I digress.

    Good points on not furthering the stereotypes. I don't want to turn people off to the Prius and also don't want to get clipped in the madness.

    Thanks for expanding on the acceleration. The more info I have and the more I understand, the better.

    I like the fact that ECO moderates the cooling so as to help fuel economy, especially since I run it virtually every trip in the car. I use the Prius v as the family car and a/c on with my daughter in the car is essential because it's almost always hot & humid but also so I can hear her talking to me. That said, I'm always careful to keep it in check. I cool things down and then maintain a lower fan speed and highest thermostat setting I can to still be comfortable. We're pretty used to the heat here so we keep our thermostats high. Would ECO still save over Normal? I never use Auto mode.

    Okay, so a smooth acceleration from stop. I'll see EV for the first few mph and then the ICE will kick in. Smooth acceleration to get up to speed, not pedal to the metal to jump off the line, but also not Granny poking along. I'll most likely need to be in the red PWR band to be considerate and keep up. Once I get to a good cruising speed, I let up on the accelerator, then reapply lightly do as to go into stealth or glide. I work to anticipate stops and slow downs. Sound right?

    I'm considering trying Normal mode to compare to Eco. Setting Eco when cruising on the highway seems to make sense so, even if I prefer Normal, perhaps I'll be sure to hit Eco on the highway.

    Yes, I have stock 16" Turanza EL400 tires. The max PSI on them is 51 and the door jam says 35/33, so I split the difference and went with 43/41 from day one. The ride feels fine to me. I'm actually considering bumping it up to 45/43. I'm going for fuel economy but the rife also needs to be comfortable enough for the family. I believe most people under-inflate and I blame the low door jam figures.

    I'd appreciate more tips and response to my above thoughts.

     
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    Sounds like you've got it!

    On tire pressure, if you're happy with 43/41 then you're good to go. I've read up on this and you're not going to get any notable mpg benefit from going higher and there are other tire performance aspects that could suffer.

    On the A/C you're already doing the right things. The Prius has a variable speed compressor and ECO mode modulates that for efficiency as well as fan speed and air recirculation. I don't know the specific efficiency gains of ECO vs Normal and auto vs manual A/C, there are threads that go into more detail on A/C and ECO mode if you want to dig deeper. I use ECO mode almost exclusively since I like having finer control of the pedal and frequently use Automatic A/C. I think ECO mode limits the compressor speed when cooling and the amount the ICE runs just to supply heat, so basically it takes longer to get to your set temperature. I was shocked at how loud the compressor got it Normal drive mode when I first used the A/C on a hot day - I think I had temp set low since I had last used it to heat. I'm pretty Spartan with heating and cooling and like you set the temp high in hot weather and low in cold. In auto mode I just start at the lowest temp (65) when heating and bump it up as needed once the engine warms up. When cooling I start it high, say near 80 and bump it down a bit as the cabin cools off. One thing to keep in mind is the traction battery is cooled with interior air so you're helping that by not going crazy with how warm you can stand.
     
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    Having monitored hybrid battery temps for some time, I saw pretty much no drop with AC use. Even running on cool evenings, the battery will level out around 35C. It appears to be normal operating temp.
     
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    My experience is you get EPA MPG by just driving it without doing anything beyond ECO, Auto, anticipation and reasonable.

    I use cruise control when on the uncrowded highway and might be 2-3 miles under the limit if no congestion and I'm in no hurry. If I'm in congestion, I'm anticipating, smartly off the line as the light changes, and up with traffic. Once away from the light and at the speed limit, I help people pass me.

    I drove very carefully for the first few tanks being fanatic to keep the indicator below the line but then I concluded I was getting only maybe 5% better MPG but at what cost to my stress level? I'll take the 100% better than my previous cars and drive to relax.

    My 30k miles have been a ~50/50 mix of city and interstate with generally hilly but not mountainous country.
     
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    I'm happy with 43/41, but you don't think I'll benefit at all from bumping it up further? I'm considering 45/43, as I do believe in higher pressure equating to better rolling and better fuel economy; granted, I'm sure there are trade-offs, as there always are in life, mainly in the form of the suspension taking more of the brunt of the bumps & irregularities in the road, IMO anyway.

    I just tried Normal mode today and much prefer it to ECO. I like the responsiveness of the accelerator. I'm careful with the a/c so I'm wondering if I need to use ECO. However, does ECO do anything better than Normal in regards to cutting off the ICE earlier when slowing down or stopped in traffic?