1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Bad transaxle?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by dandlwelder, Feb 17, 2016.

Tags:
  1. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I had whining from the engine compartment when I am coasting and accelerating, much noiser than in the past. I had been getting a C1310 code along with C1253 , C1241 and C1300, but I changed out the Anti Skid ECU and these went away. However I still get the red triangle of death VSC and ABS lights on after driving on the highway for about 10 minutes at speeds over 65. So I then got P0A2B 250 codes, Drive motor A temperature sensor. After it rested a while and I restarted the car, all but the red triangle would go out. After two more starts the Red triangle went away too. This happened for a few weeks, until one day after a trip, the car just stopped. Would not start at all, no ready light went on. Testing gave me a P0AA6 526 code, Hybrid Battery Voltage System Isolation Fault. Now I know the 526 could be multiple faults but with the whining and the P0A2B, I am thinking the transaxle is the smoking gun. Any thoughts from the community?
     
  2. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,862
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
  3. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    18,198
    6,464
    0
    Location:
    Green Valley, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Yes, that is a reasonable theory. To prove it, disconnect the high voltage wires at the inverter which lead to the transaxle (two sets of three wires each, because the inverter connects to both MG1 and MG2). Use a megohm meter to see whether there is any measurable resistance between each wire and body ground.

    If the transaxle has a really bad problem, a regular ohmmeter might work. A megohm meter is like an ohmmeter except it uses high voltage to provoke an insulation breakdown.
     
  4. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Battery is like 3 years old, an Odyssey, voltage is over 12 V when car is off.
     
  5. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Patrick,
    So any reading other than infinity (ish) would imply a short of the windings to housing/ground? What about the Hybrid Battery ECU? Saw you had mentioned that on a previous thread.

    Can I just either clear the codes via the Techstream or disconnect the battery to get car to start again if it is intermittent issue?
     
  6. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    18,198
    6,464
    0
    Location:
    Green Valley, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Yes, you can clear the DTC by disconnecting the 12V battery.

    It would not hurt to give the 12V battery a good overnight charge while it is disconnected to make sure that is not contributing to the problem. A new 12V AGM battery will measure ~13V after surface charge has dissipated.

    The high voltage ground fault potentially could be with any component which handles high voltage. if you get the megohm meter, you can test every component exposed to high voltage except the traction battery itself.

    To test the traction battery, you would measure voltage from the positive and negative terminals of that battery to ground. If you measure any voltage to ground, then the battery itself has a high voltage ground fault. This could result from electrolyte leaking from a battery module, or perhaps a problem with the traction battery ECU where the wiring harness connector has developed the ground fault.
     
  7. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,795
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Hybrid iso fault means one of the phase windings has suffered a burnout and the Inverter is sensing a ground fault ie voltage finding ground when under drive. There will be an accompanied shudder also from the front passenger side.

    If you absolutely need to be convinced and this is alot easier than ohming the trans legs is dump the trans fluid and it will smell pretty burnt
    and you may find pieces of the winding coating..

    How many miles and have you ever replaced the trans fluid.
     
  8. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    114K miles, never changed the trans fluid. Did notice a shutter from passenger compartment when the faults occur
     
  9. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Patrick,
    Wouldn't a battery fault show a different code?
     
  10. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,795
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Yeah sorry to say not looking good. Trans failures are pretty rare but definitive in there failure symptoms.
    In the G1 a ground fault will shut the car off. In the G2 it allows you to drive. You can reset the 12 volt battery and continue driving for a while till the gf dtc shows back up.

    Go to lusciousgargae.com as there really good at this and lots of blogs to read about blown transaxles.
     
  11. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,795
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    But btw, continue driving and it can eventually damage the Inverter also making recovery that much harder.

    Find a used transaxle and throw it in.
     
  12. dandlwelder

    dandlwelder Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2015
    13
    1
    0
    Location:
    Maryland
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Yeah, that is what I was thinking, but I will check out the fluid before dropping the Transaxle, which obvioulsy I have to do before dropping it! Also hoping that it is covered under the CARB state warranty of 10 Yr 150K miles, as Maryland signed up in 2007... Will see what Toyota says. Will check out the link.
     
  13. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    18,198
    6,464
    0
    Location:
    Green Valley, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    If a battery module had failed, then DTC P0A80 would be logged. Usually another DTC, P30xy would also be logged to pin down which module pair is at fault, where x = either 1 or 2.
    However if a battery module is leaking electrolyte, that would be the cause of the high voltage ground fault and P0AA6 would be logged.

    I believe the transaxle is covered under the 5 year/60K mile powertrain warranty. But you can ask and see what happens.
     
  14. scargi01

    scargi01 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2007
    784
    57
    0
    Location:
    Missouri
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Pretty sure I am going to be doing this shortly. Any idea how much replacing with a used transaxle on a 2005 should cost, ballpark? It has 350,000 miles on it.
     
  15. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,862
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three