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Why is Toyota iPhone integration so bad?

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by texasdiver, Aug 12, 2016.

  1. texasdiver

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    I'm currently shopping for a new Prius and leaning towards the Touring 4. I haven't messed with the phone integration system on this particular model but it seems basically the same Entune system that is on my wife's 2014 Highlander. Workable basically for playing podcasts and music and calling but that's about it. With some clumsy integration issues.

    Today I'm in a different state delivering my daughter to college in a cheap rental car. A base model Chevy Cruz from Alamo. Never drove one before. I get in the car, see a USB port, plug in my iPhone to charge it and bang. This is what I see

    [edit....appears I can't paste photo links from my iPad but basically the Chevy display screen just mirrors the iphone icons when you plug in the phone and you have touchscreen access to all your media plus Apple maps and text messages]

    Instant total integration with my phone with no setup or anything. Touchscreen access to all the media on my phone including Apple maps and apple maps routing. Just drove 300 miles using Apple maps for routing with the Apple maps turn by turn instructions displayed on the car screen while streaming podcasts and tune in radio through the phone to the car. Basically just using my phone exactly like I always use it but via touchscreen on the car.

    Any way to do that on a Prius? I have seen hacks where with some effort the iPhone screen gets displayed on the Prius but it is still just a mirror of the phone, you can't use the car touch screen.

    Honestly the Entune system just irritates me now that I have seen how much easier the Chevy system is.
     
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  2. Tideland Prius

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    What you saw is Apple CarPlay and it's not limited to Chevrolet (most other automakers are incorporating Apple CarPlay and Google AndroidAuto).

    Yeah there is a work-around ($200 from the PriusChat shop plus a few extra cables from your favourite online or B&M store). This methods give you full access to your phone. CarPlay/AndroidAuto is just the basics (phone, text, maps, audio)
     
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    Indeed. Imagine if Toyota put the same effort into the Entune system as they put into advancing hybrid technology.

    It's one of the most backward components of the car, especially when compared to what basic cars can do as you found out with your rental.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Does this priuschat work-around enable the Toyota touchscreen or just simply mirror the phone like an external monitor?
     
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    Since I have never bought ANY Apple product (they like many other manufactures are on my never list for violating my engineering sensibilities) this is not an issue for me. I find that my new 2016 Prius (and my wife's new Subaru) works well with my Samsung Galaxy 4.

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    From what I have seen from all the online demos, you can not use the touch screen in the mirroring to operate your iPhone. I thought this was a big deal for me but then I discovered that Apple Carplay only includes the most basic apps (phone, podcasts, and music). If it would duplicate what I have on my iPod, it would be a bigger deal. I like to listen to audiobooks on long trips and that uses a specific app provided by my library. So.. I suppose I'll still use the iPod on the side for that application.

    I think it is a bit comical the way that Toyota markets this Entune stuff... to work THROUGH YOUR phone. ;) It makes no difference to me. I don't have cell service where I live so I carry a throw away phone with me with 60 minutes of airtime only for emergencies. For entertainment, I use my iPod or iPad. If they happen to work with the bluetooth, fine. Otherwise, I'll use a patch cord.
     
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    It's mirrored only. You can use Siri to open your apps. (assuming you have TouchID enabled)

     
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    Gotta say that after 4 days of renting a Chevy Cruz with CarPlay I've found it FAR FAR superior to Entune. Admittedly I'm not an Entune power user but I fight with it every time I drive my wife's Highlander. Yes it is true that CarPlay doesn't enable all the apps on my phone. But every ap that I ever use while driving was on screen and working perfectly. Apple Maps, messages, podcasts, audio books, music, etc. and the others worked fine like the NPR news app even through they didn't have an onscreen icon. Had to start playing from the phone screen but then the player app came up on screen for controls.

    Really too bad Toyota doesn't use it. I find it seamless and super intuitive.
     
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    5S requires too much care and feeding for a Prius. When it dies I am taking my WIN 10 phones I bought on clearance and hooking them up up and away
     
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    I too am quite happy with the integration with my LG android phone.

    I sometimes wonder how much of the phone should be replicated by your car - you are supposed to be driving and keeping alert to the (mad) drivers around you. Can't help thinking that too much phone in the car becomes a distraction.
     
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    Wouldn't you need a hefty data plan, always using your phone for navigation? I'm not much of a negotiator with the phone company; the missus and me share a gig monthly. :oops:
     
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    From my limited research, I understand that Waze uses something in the region of 200MB per month. That is not a lot in these days of multi-GB packages. If you are traveling a known route, Waze will already have the map of that area in cache, so only needs to download changes, which would be negligible in size.
     
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    I have a 2013 Prius v with Entune and a 2016 Chevy with Mylink. I have a nav system in the Prius but not the Chevy. The Android integration (Android Auto) is far superior to the Entune navigation. The lack of Carplay or Android Auto in Toyota products is definitely a huge negative for me and one reason I bought a new Impala rather than an Avalon.

    I've been using the Android Auto for 3 months. It's a pleasure to use compared to the Toyota nav with obsolete maps, insane map update prices, and horrible interface. It's so much easier to find a destination than the Toyota nav that fails half the time.

    I read the posts from people who dismiss Android Auto and Car Play as useless gimmicks. Don't knock it until you try it for a few days. Having up-to-date maps and great traffic information is enlightening. The nice thing about Android Auto/Google maps is that it is updated constantly. It has been reported that Waze will be available on Android Auto before the end of the year.

    The Android Auto allows you to download large map areas that allow you to navigate without a data connection. This was one drawback that forced me to keep a Garmin in the car for a backup when I was out of data range. No need for that now.
     
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    An aftermarket stereo is $500 installed. You retain nearly every control and get Carplay + Android Auto.
     
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    Being an avid Apple user and being deeply entrenched in the iOS ecosystem, I was quite disappointed with Toyota's Entune system without Apple Carplay. SO, you can say I've been following this discussion with some interest. I am not interested in changing out the Head Unit just to get Carplay and Android Auto, so Beat Sonic's iPhone mirroring has me quite interested.

    I feel it is even better than the Apple Carplay. Carplay restricts you to a predefined set of Apps, one of which is their abysmal Apple Maps. They might work well for some, but they are woefully inadequate for the majority. For me, being able to mirror the iPhone on the Nav Screen is invaluable, because I would be able to use Waze and Google Maps.

    I was looking for experiences/reviews from other Prius Chat users who've used this mirroring system, but for some reason no-one wants to share or no-one has it installed (see my numerous posts in the Gen IV Audio forum). Nevertheless, I have been in touch with Sam at Beat-Sonic who assures me the installation is pretty straightforward. My unit should arrive tomorrow, though I might have to wait for a pleasant Florida afternoon to try and install it in my Prius. But should the device work well, I should be set for a long time to come.
     
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    I am considering this item as well and will look forward to your experience.
     
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    My admittedly limited experience with Carplay in the rental car was that all the audio apps I use showed up on the CarPlay touch screen (Podcasts, Music, Audio Books, TuneIn Radio, etc). and the Apple text messages showed up as well but played over the speakers rather than displayed text on the screen which I'm sure is a safety feature. Also the phone integration with my iPhone contacts was seamless and easy.

    In terms of apps that display content on the screen visually, the Apple Maps app worked perfectly and produced a superior routing and display experience from the normal Toyota Nav on my wife's Highlander. By far. But I didn't try to do actual routing using the touchscreen, I just used the phone screen to enter routes and then let it display on the car screen. There was also the red triangle arrow on screen that looked like a Youtube play button but I don't mess around with it to see what it actually did on Carplay. I"m assuming maybe Youtube but probably only works when the car is in park and brake is on.

    I found that Google Maps worked perfectly well using CarPlay but you only get the voice turn by turn instructions not the map display. So you aren't tied to Apple Maps. I would enter a destination in google maps on the iPhone and start routing and then use the CarPlay screen to play my podcasts or radio listening and Google Maps would just run in the background and break in with turn instructions when appropriate. Very easy. In fact, you can run Google Maps for routing in the background using CarPlay and then run Apple Maps in the foreground if you want to actually see a map displayed while still getting your routing from google.

    I'm going to look into the Beat Sonic option. The only issue is that I assume when you are mirroring your phone you lose all your car info but I guess you have the other screen above for that.

    As far a burning through data, I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan but I've found that mapping using google or waze or other apps uses very little data. About the only car uses that burn through a lot of data are streaming audio.

    The one issue with using a phone for navigation is that in my remote parts of the US you simply drive out of cell phone range. You can anticipate this to some extent by downloading maps to run in the background. But the big advantage to using the car's nav system is that you aren't tied to cellular and never are out of range. What I generally do is use the car nav for long distance cross country trips and use the phone for address routing within cities where there is always cell signals. The only maps that really get out of date quickly are in fast growing suburban areas where google maps thrives. Highways way out in the boondocks almost never change.
     
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    Same here. In the city I use my 5S
     
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    I worked through the exercise to see if this would satisfy my need for all things Apple. My figures were somewhat more ;) The other thing I disliked was the lack of a spare tire. I finally caved. After all, I've been plugging in my iPad into my current stereo with a cable. And I haven't needed a spare tire for many years. It would be nice, just once to get everything I wanted.
     
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    Well, FWIW, I installed my mirroring unit this evening. I must say that their instructions as included in the packet were a bit lacking. The hardest part was routing the cables to the front through the dash. It took me a total of 1.5 hours to install this.

    BUT, and this is a big but, if you have a Prius Two and a non HD screen (non JBL) prepare to have washed out colors and fuzzy text. It is a bit disappointing after all that work and expense. But the alternative was not acceptable to me.

    Let me know if you guys have any questions.
     
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