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Question about all 2010 Prius's

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by darkgiant, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. darkgiant

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    I recently sold both my 2004 and 2007 Prius, partially to flip them, and the other to get another Gen 3 Prius. That being said, my mechanic swears that 2010 Prius's are bad since he always is doing some repair on them (granted, he deals with companies and governments with fleets of Prius's), but apparently the 2010 model is just frowned upon from most of the people at the mechanics shop. Stuff from engines going out to the hybrid battery needing replacement are very common, according to him.

    In my current search, there seem to be a lot more 2010 models than 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 in my area (like TONS!), which is what drew my curiosity. I use my cars pretty heavily since I have lengthy commutes, my 2007 Prius was an absolute champ, but it was climbing up in miles to a point where I thought it made sense to sell it before it depreciates even faster.

    Either way, would love to hear if people have heard of identical situations with the 2010 model being "bad", I have a 2011, and they look the same, from my research thus far, they are generally the same car and drivetrain, but not sure because this was the first year of the Gen 3, it may be the reason for all its problems?
     
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    My 2010 burns oil and now has developed a slight play on the steering wheel when stopped. Mpg isn't all the great, around 40 mpg around town with 17 inch wheels.

    My 2015 is really solid but Mpg is also suffering around town with 17 inch wheels.
     
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    other than squeaks and rattles, the only major complaint i have read about is 2010's with 100,000+ miles burning oil. it's hard to figure a percentage or how many, and no one knows the details of driving style or maintenance.
    that being said, when you're looking at one, how do you know if it's burning oil, or will in the future?
     
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    That's interesting because those problems are what my mechanic mentioned. He mentioned that the engines usually are the biggest culprit in the 2010 models, where they start to burn oil, than you eventually see some coolant loss, thus leading to a new engine needing to be installed. Apparently, they usually becoming troublesome at around the 150K-175K mark, and by 200K you most likely may need a new engine. He then mentioned there are little parts like the steering to the headlights to the buttons, and it all just is nitty gritty type of stuff that starts to go wrong with wear and tear... I guess I should avoid 2010?
     
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    it's a hit or miss, many people here with properly maintained 2010 models, have very little issues.
     
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    That is a good point, it'd only be obvious if you had the car for a few days and drive it around on a freeway for a bit or something. Maybe check the dipstick when inspecting a new one? No clue
    Yeah seems like this is the case. I guess there is no real definitive way to predict what will work and won't work in X amount of time. I guess from an analytical perspective, I'll just try to avoid it as much as possible, though, there are quite a few that are now under the $10,000 price range with 75,000< miles on them, so it is kind of tempting...
     
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    i guess look for a one owner, no accident, well maintained with docs and hope for the best. how much is 2011 with similar mileage?
     
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    I looked at a 2011 model yesterday with 66K miles for around $12,500, so they are couple of grand or so more expensive. Unfortunately, I saw way too many error codes on the car I saw yesterday (I bring the entire techstream setup with me, you never know!) and little things like an alignment and brakes definitely needed work, the seller was pretty much firm to his price.
     
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    of course, the 2011's might be next, i've no idea if they made any corrections to the piston rings or whatever.
     
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    2010 Prius II with 137.5 k miles. A little oil consumption (1 quart every 6,500 miles).

    But pencil me into the happy owner category. The Prius is reliable and gets 45 mpg going 70-75 mph on the freeway. Glad I bought my 2010 in August 2009:).
     
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    change oil at 6500 miles and you won't need to top up
     
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    That's one way to look at it. Another way is to look at the cost: $4 for a quart between oil changes Or more frequent oil changes at a cost of about $40 all in. In the long run, the cost justification I do not see.
     
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    Got a 2010 Prius III; it's got 106,000 on it, still getting around 45-55 mpg (as it has always done), and no excessive oil burning and such. Has had a couple of minor repairs.. A new 12V battery (right, big deal), can't think offhand of anything else.

    On the other hand: Consumers Union says, "Never get the first model year of a car." And that's what the 2010 Prius is. It's gone through two recalls that I remember; one on the brakes, the other on the inverter software. But that first model year stuff holds.

    By the by: Having overhauled a car engine or two back in the day, there's some straightforward logic as to why a car burns oil excessively. It's usually stuck piston rings.

    Most engines have pistons with three rings. The rings fits into slots cut into the periphery of the piston, with the openings on 120-degree angles from each other, the better to cut down on the blow-by from the high pressure from the combustion chamber. The rings are extremely springy and have to be compressed into their slots in order to get the pistons into the cylinders.

    As you might expect, high pressure attempts to get past the rings, either between the ring and the cylinder wall or around the ring, going into the slot, around the ring, and back out again. Not that there's that much flow in that second direction, but what's attempting to make it through there are combustion products - gunky, black, full of carbon and tar combustion products.

    Normal engines run hot enough that most of that stuff gets burned off; it's one of the reasons that people with high-performance engines are told to let it rev 'way up there from time to time, in order to heat things up and burn off the tar and black junk.

    However, the Prius is a kind of car that tends to turn off the gas engine on the drop of a hat. Hence, unless one is driving one's Prius at speed, those high temperatures won't be reached. My suspicion is that on those driven-only-in-town the engines have always run cool; the gunk builds up; and the piston rings stick and stop sliding back and forth in their slots. Result: Heavy oil consumption.

    Back in the day there were additives one could pour into a carburetor that would result in huge clouds of white smoke going out the exhaust; I think they were called "head end cleaners" and, if the piston/ring/cylinder wear wasn't too bad, could reduce oil consumption for a while. But that was for non fuel-injected cars without catalytic converters; it's a good bet that with a Prius in this state, one would be stuck with having to pull apart the engine and clean things manually, which is pretty much doing an engine overhaul. And if one is going to do that to an engine with 100K miles on it, then one might as well go whole hog, put in resized pistons, rings, and re-score the cylinders, not to mention checking the crankshaft bearings and all that.

    My car's daily commute usually involves 10 or 15 miles of freeway driving, at least two or four times a week; hence, I'd like to think that my engine isn't going to run across the stuck rings problem. But we'll see.

    KBeck
     
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    I have a July 2009 build owned since new. 72,500 miles. Short commute (<10 miles) with harsh winter (temps below 0°F as daytime highs regularly in Dec, and Feb. Jan somehow is hit and miss. Sometimes warmer, sometimes cold) with mountain driving and annual road trips making up for the low mileage commute.

    Original brake pads and 12V battery. *knock on wood* the dealer has not mentioned that it's using any oil. ATF fluid changed. Coolant will be changed at 100,000 miles per the maintenance schedule.

    Some creak in the front suspension due to wear and tear (when snow melts and refreezes, it's pretty much "pothole" city until fresh snow packs down fills the divets)

    Edit: I should mention that Canada still runs on the 6 months/5,000 mile OCI for 2010-2015 models.
     
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    So the general consensus seems to be because it was the first year of a new "Generation" of Prius's, it is basically a hit and miss in terms of what kind of problems arise and what not,

    This is good to know overall, as I originally assumed because it was a Gen 3 it would just be better than the previous generations. It also looks like its best to go the super low mile route if buying a 2010 Prius, at the very least of knowing it wasn't abused or driven as much.
     
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    I have 61K on my 2010 the only problems I have had was a rear brake caliper got stuck and I had to replace the pads. The other was that three out of four of my wheel bearings/hubs had to be replaced. I've also have had zero oil usage so far.
     
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    2010 prius with 97000 miles. Everything is still good. Second owner since 22xxx miles. Original everything excep 17" rims and lower on coilover.