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Iran used to be a democracy

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mirza, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. Mirza

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    #1 Mirza, Jun 1, 2006
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    "Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh (Persian: محمد مصدق‎‎ ​, also Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq) (May 19, 1882 - March 5, 1967) was the democratically elected[1] prime minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953. He was removed from power by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, and pro-monarchy forces in a complex coup led by British and US intelligence agencies. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]"

    Wait a minute, the British and US intelligence agencies removed the democratically elected leader of Iran to install a dictator? You have turned my world view upside down! :p
     
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    To anyone reading the post before mine; Please read the entire link of the initial poster. It give a much clearer picture to use your 20/20 goggles on than Mr. Jared2's anemic selection!

    "Judge those that perform a thing by the time and place whence the thing was performed and not through the lens of your minds eye. A right may produce a wrong and a wrong may produce a right. Our task is to deal with history's consequences and not levy the morality of today on the moral of yesterday."
     
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    With that kind of attitude (make mistakes like there is no tomorrow and forget them), there will NEVER be peace in the middle east. They don't forget these kinds of things happening. The article details an embarassing repetition of history... note how Brittain lied to the US to get involved... lies and exagerations (Mossadegh leaning towards communsim) used to justify what Brittain wanted (sound somewhat familiar?)... maintain control another people's oil fields. That whole operation started out with this man trying to do what he felt was best for his country at the time... having control of their own oil fields.

    Let me make an anology... let's say Australia kicks out a Chinese company that is exporting copper to the world. China invades and retakes control. I think people would be aghast at the situation and support Australia in that situation given those circumstances.

    Too many times in history we have seen governments and leaders overthrown for selfish agendas... because they were pro the dominant power. Let me give an example of this dichotomy....

    I forget the year... I believe the late 1800s or the early 1900s... there were main two families competing for power... the Saud family and another one... of which the name escapes me (I apologize... the information is in a book titled "A Peace to End All Peace"... search it on amazon)... the Saud family was pro-British...one that has remained in power today... it supported British imperialism, colonialism, and aid... whereas the other family was more national.. IE for the people and against imperial interference.

    Now take a look at the following link and note the information about the Saud family's links to fundamentalist Wahhabism. The competing family was more liberal... for human rights... and not in support of Wahabbism. But since the Saud family were in support of the british, the British backed them and brought them into power.

    This power play is similar to the Saud events in that imperialism was upheld over freedom (a cliche, really). This is what I hate about political history... it is disgusting to read about... given all what we are told about doing things for the good of humanity.
     
    #4 Mirza, Jun 4, 2006
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