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Six tanks with Techron solved high oil consumption at 140K miles

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by chogan2, Sep 5, 2016.

  1. chogan2

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    My wife and I own a 2005, currently with 145K miles. At 130K, it began to burn oil, maybe 1 quart per 2K miles. That rapidly deteriorated, to 1 quart of oil per 800 miles, by 142K miles. No leaks. No (e.g.) smoke upon startup, or smoke upon hard acceleration.

    Went to the dealer, hoping it might be something simple, such as a bad PCV valve.. What we heard back was "the rings are so carboned up they hardly make contact with the bore, and there is lots of blow-by". Dealer's advice was either a) $5400 for an engine rebuild, or b) start saving for a new car.

    I had never heard of rings being carboned up that badly. Carbon? We'd had what I thought was a problem with knock (pre-ignition) around 120K, but the dealer said otherwise. Barring that, this was the first inkling of upper-cylinder carbon issues on this engine.

    Before trashing the car, I decided to try whatever seemed reasonable to decarbon the upper cylinder. Lined up my options. Of the options available, dumping Techron concentrate into the gas tank seemed a) cheap, b) had some evidence of effectiveness, and c) was easy. Other options (Seafoam, various oil additives) were either a lot more work, or seemed like a lot more risk.

    Understanding that Techron worked slowly, I bought enough for ten tanks. I figured, ten tanks of Techron, and if that didn't do it, I'd throw in the towel.

    Six tanks later, I can say, this worked. Over the last 1K miles, oil went from full, to a hair under full. That is, oil consumption ( 5 w 20, did not move to thicker oil) has stopped.

    Gas mileage remains at near-new levels. Recent round trip, Washington DC to Richmond, averaged 49 MPG, with a considerable fraction of that at 75 MPH with no drafting.

    So, this worked. I don't really understand why it worked. I am just attesting to the fact that it did. I completely realize that the oil control ring is at the bottom of the piston body. I don't really understand why de-carbonizing the upper cylinder could possibly matter that much for oil consumption.

    I just want to say that, if you are in this situation, you might consider a few tanks with Techron concentrate, before tossing in the towel on your high-oil-consumption Prius.

    In summary:
    We went from modest oil consumption (1 quart / 2K miles) to high oil consumption (1 Q/800 miles) in short order. There was no obvious smoking at startup or on hard acceleration. There were no leaks. The dealer said "carboned rings", but offered no further useful advice. We tried consecutive tanks of gas with Techron concentrate added. Not because it was the obvious choice, but mostly because it was easy. And that appears to have resolved the problem.

    Obviously, if you're burning oil due to worn rings, bore, or valve guides, this isn't going to help. But in our case, it was due to upper cylinder carbonization. Really, to carbonization of the rings. And Techrnon appears to have fixed that. For us.
     
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    So you added techron to 6 tanks? Have 4 bottles left?

    have a picture of the stuff?
     
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    Hi Chogan good to hear from you and thank you for experimenting and reporting back.

    Did you use a super-dose of Techron?
    What brands of gas do you normally use? TopTierGas.com brands typically add enough detergents, and our steady diet here in NoVA is EPA RFG one would think that's a relatively clean gasoline and if Top Tier then detergents should be good. Makes one wonder what the root cause is.

    P.S.- isn't 5W-30 the proper Gen2 oil weight? so you are using a lighter oil than most Gen2 folks. I don't use 5W-20 as Gen2 supposedly gets some couple % gaso entrainment in the oil, so I figure the oil gets lighter all by itself

    We got about 155k miles on the 2006
     
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    please keep us updated on the consumption, all the best!(y)
     
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    I've always liked Chevron products. Have used Techron on & off for 25 years. Now it seems Mobil is upping the ante (or trying to compete) with their new "Synergy" gasoline. Thought I'd give it a try.
     
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    Yes, please answer this one.

    I'm invariably filling up with Chevron regular, btw. My reasons: I like the colour of their logo, and they have free air compressors.
     
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    Well I'm going to give this a shot. Not sure how 6 bottles would affect my spark plugs or my oxygen sensors....but I'll try anything once.
     
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    If an older, high-mileage Prius tends to burn oil, would it be worth a try to use 0W-30 on the next change?
     
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    Sure Gen2 I'd go with 5W-30 Mobil 1 High Mileage which is formulated to prevent as much oil loss. Gen2 takes 5W-30 anyways, Gen3 you'd want to check the global allowed lubes visc. but I think it's OK.
     
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    Me too. Chogan2, are you the second (or later) owner? It makes sense to me if you were getting heavy carbon buildup in the rings, the root cause might be sludge-ing of the engine having taken place earlier in the engine life - like might occur if a previous owner didn't change the oil for far too long of an interval. 130K is early for a Prius to start leaking/using oil; from the posts I've seen, 200K+ is more typical.

    Also is confirming for me to keep using top tier gasoline. However I'm not convinced to use a Techron bottle on a regular basis (see video below). Seems like a good solution for engines with carbon buildup however.

     
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    Based on the video, how it improves slowly, 6 bottles might improve it to the point where you'll notice a difference.
     
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    In the U.S. Gen 2 is spec'd for 5W-30, Gen 3 for 0W-20. Generally it's not a problem to go up in viscosity of oil (as long as it's not extreme, e.g. putting 20W-50 in a Gen 3). The thicker oil will slow oil leaks, though not cure them. The price you'll pay is harder cold starting and slightly reduced fuel economy (on the order of 1-2%). However often oil leaks get gradually worse over time, so doing so is an engine life extender, and usually not a cure. However if you can squeeze another 20-50k miles out of an engine just from using thicker oil, I'd consider that worth it. For a high mileage Prius leaking oil, I'd try 10W-40 on a 2nd gen or 5w-30 on a 3rd gen for an oil change and see if it slows the leak, and perhaps change back to the recommended grade for wintertime, depending on the climate.

    Keep in mind a lot of oil leaks/burning are caused by gasket leaks, and using Techron won't solve oil leaks with this cause.
     
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    Let me answer as many of these as I can.

    I buy whatever gas is handy. Shell most of the time, I think, as that is closest to my house. I just don't pay attention to it, and I'm sure my wife doesn't either.

    Yes, four bottles left. I think maybe I'll do this a couple of times a year from now on.

    The Techron product is as pictured above, but it's the smaller bottle. "Techron concentrate plus, complete fuel system cleaner", 12 fluid ounces, for up to 12 gallons of gasoline.

    Can I post an Amazon.com link here? Let me try it as plain text:


    It says all the right words on it: "Safe for catalytic converters and oxygen sensors. Can be used with ethanol containing fuels and in gasoline/electric hybrid vehicles."

    I looked at the last bottle of oil that I added from and it was, indeed, 5-W-30. So I must have been smarter when I bought it than I was when I was writing about it. Other than that, I'm pretty sure the place where we get the oil changed fills it per manufacturer's specification.

    Anyway, that's it. I've owned a lot of old cars, and no "miracle in a can" ever did a thing for me before. I was so surprised that it worked that I figured I'd post it. This is an odd case, for sure -- oil consumption due to buildup of carbon on the rings. But I can't be the only guy this has happened to. So I thought it might do somebody some good.

    I'll check back in another 1000 miles and report on the oil consumption.
     
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    I found this at Wally World for $4.99. A $30 fix in a bottle
     
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    That was exactly my thinking. I knew one bottle wasn't going to do much. And I figured if I didn't buy it in advance, I'd probably have said to heck with it after the first couple. Or forget, or not bother to stop by the auto parts store. So I committed, bought four locally, bought a case of six off Amazon. And so it only took six, not ten. I'll use the rest up eventually.
     
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    I noticed the performance in my 2006 being a bit sluggish lately. I couldn't really pinpoint the cause. Then noticed the oil consumption has gone to 1qt every 1000 miles.

    So this test is perfect........a much needed fix
     
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    You guys have sure gotten lots of good miles out of your Prius. :) I see some posts, where the owner said he has 250,000 miles. Or even 300? What's their secret? I wonder if they have done anything special, other than routine Maint.
     
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    Hmm. Without knowing what oil your mechanic uses, we really can't be sure if your reduced oil consumption was due to the Techron or a change in oil viscosity. If your mechanic normally uses 0W-20, and you're filling with 5W-30, that could account for the reduction. It's a great experiment. Will be interesting to see future results as you put on more miles. Keep us posted!
     
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    I think gasoline has a lot to do with the oil burning issue. There's a member here that says his problem went away when he started using gas without Ethenol. that was the secret. Maybe the gas without Ethenol kept the engine carbon free.
     
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