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  1. anthony romano

    anthony romano New Member

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    I'm considering buying a 2015 Prius II with 20K miles for a little less than 19K out the door. It is at a dealership, Certified Pre Owned, was bought at action, one owner, and Carfax says it was a commercial vehicle.

    The dealership gave a me a little push back at first when I said I would like to have looked at by an independent mechanic but eventually agreed providing I made the appointment for during the week and not on a weekend. Unfortunately I am unable to do so during the week so if I decide to buy I will likely be doing so tomorrow without an independent inspection. Although I've done some basic mechanic work in the past, wheel bearings, breaks, oil changes… ect, I am unfamiliar with hybrids and have only driven them a handful of times. Point being, I'm not sure if I will be tell if something is wrong with the car when I look at it myself.

    Based on the year, miles, and warranty, do folks think that an independent mechanic inspection is necessary?

    Thank you very much for your help.
     
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    welcome! just a thought, brand new 4th generation 2016's are going for 20k.

    but to your point, you probably don't need an inspection. it's certified, nothing is likely to to be wrong, and everything is still under warranty except the overall 12/12, which is probably covered under the certification.
    do you have the first four 5k services info? it's just oil, tyres, filters and inspections.
    learn how to reset one of the trip meters, take it for a good long drive without a sales weasel, and see what it returns for mpg's.
    hybrids make a lot of funny sounds, so if you have any concerns, drive a new one while you're there to compare. all the best!(y)
     
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    Thanks for the advise. Did you get your 20K out the door? They are asking 17200 for this one before taxes, fees, ect. I checked the car fax and it has only had 2 service appointments, both at a Toyota dealer, both "oil Maintenance inspection completed Battery/charging system checked Oil and filter changed"
     
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    $19K is too high. KBB prices a CPO as $15.7K-$17.8K, and that is here in California, Prius world.

    Independent inspection likely wont turn up much b/c is so young/few miles. I would want an auto body repair person to look at the car inside, outside, and up on a lift. Given how you are not familiar w/ Hybrids, have a good mechanic w/ lots of Prius experience/knowledge have a look.

    I'd walk away, as it seems you are not hard pressed for a replacement. They will beg you to buy. Gas is cheap. Hybrids are moving slowly.
     
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    i don't have one, just what's being reported in the pricing thread. but no, not out the door, so probably another $1,500. - $2,000.
    it's a completely different car though, so worth taking a look at and pricing.

    as long as the oil was changed at 10 and 20k, the other stuff is minor. there's no major service on a prius until 120k, but air filter check/clean/replace at 30k intervals and cabin filter at 15k.
     
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    They are asking $17200. All said and done i would be on the road for $18600. This car is competitively priced in my area and falls within the KBB fair price for a CPO. Enough so that i am willing to drive 1 hour and 40 mins to buy this one. I hear you about the auto body person, I recently took a day off of work to have my mechanic look at a CPO Honda and he could tell that it had multiple body panels repainted. The car fax had no reported accidents but the dealer had a collision center on site and when i confronted them they said that they did send it in for some body work but have no records of what was done. Definitely shady! Needless to say, i didn't buy.

    I am in a rush to buy. My car has a wheel bearing going behind a break drum that i cannot get off. Need to trade this thing in and be done with it. I won't have have time to have it checked by a mechanic first. I guess i was just hoping people would tell me that it was a no brainer and just to buy it lol!
     
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    Mechanically, that Prius is probably fine. And I am not even there to see or hear it.

    Biggest concern is cash (off the books) body repairs. Any time insurance pays for something, CarFax will catch that. Cash repairs aren't caught unless the owner notify's CarFax this was done; but who will do this?

    If it were me, I would just pay a shop to fix that rear bearing ($500-$600, guessing). This assumes the car is mechincally sound. Sucks to pay, but it buys you time to shop around more.

    It is your money, and you will do what you feel is in your best interest.
     
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    DO NOT.

    First of all, I'd like to know if this is a factory CPO program or just some fly-by-night "CPO certification" that only guarantees that the vehicle is certified to have been pre-owned.

    Secondly......I drive a company Prius. My company has many of them, and they're all lovingly maintained by white-suited mechanics in a dealership, and the drivers take care of them as if they were their own vehicle.........
    NOT!!!

    See also: Car rental sales.
    In my book? It's not a resume enhancer, and the dealer should have said that it was a fleet vehicle before-hand.

    Thirdly,
    You're only about 2-3 thou off the street price of a new 2016 or a new left-over 2015....not some auctioned-off car.
    I get the fact that some do not like the 2016, but you're talking about less than 100 bucks in the payment.

    Forthly.....been following the election?
    OK.
    So....in case you're wondering why somebody has repealed the political law of gravity, it's because in some parts of the country, people aren't standing in lines 3 blocks long to buy a new car, new i7, or a new home (roughly in order of expense....)
    I get the fact that the i-thingy is going for MSRP+ because of supply and demand.
    I do not get Priuses going for MSRP+ (KBB+ in your case) because the inverse of the same law is applicable.

    Here's the thing.
    You can mail order the ifone, but you pretty much have to go and get the Prius.
    If you're budget constrained?
    Throw a wider net.
    You could save thousands.
    Eggs are cheaper in the country not because you're closer to the chicken (although that helps) but because of the same supply and demand thing.


    I'm suspicious of this dealer.
    It sounds like they came into a number of commercial-(ab)use cars and they're trying to razzle-dazzle you.
    It also sounds like you may be trading in another vehicle...further complicating the deal.


    Good Luck!
    Please.......be original.
    Tell us how it shakes out.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. It is a official Toyota CPO and Carfax specifies if a car is a Fleet/Rental. This one says that its is a Commercial car which i would assume, like with your business, it was used as a company car. You are certainly right that it may have been abused however. Or perhaps even used as a rental and just not registered at one if that is possible
     
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    I'm with the others. If you are only looking for a two, I would really consider the 2016s. I bet you could get a really good deal, maybe only a couple thousand more, and they're improved. Especially if you keep your cars for a while. If you don't maybe the extra few thousand isn't worth it. I would at least drive one.
     
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    If you have AAA, AmEx, Costco, see what their pricing is for a new 2016.
     
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    I am the kind of person that keeps cars for a long time but unfortunately 18600 is as much as i can possibally spend. Even at this price i would expect that i would have no major reliability issues for at least 5 years. Perhaps this is too much to ask when dealing with a used Prius? One of the reason why they appealed to me in the first place was because Consumer report rates them as one of the most reliable cars. Thank you for your reply
     
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    OK....
    Let's back the wagon up a bit.

    If it's a factory CPO (backed by an extended OEM warranty) then it may not be a complete fleece job by the dealer.....jusr a case of an over-priced G3.

    Figure that they were selling G3's for 20,000.00 OTD in the fall of 2015.
    Now....figure that 10 percent of the car's service life has been depleted by the previous owners.
    That leaves us at something like 18K HOWEVER.....(comma!) much more than 10-percent of a car's street value vanishes like smoke when it gets transmorgified from a NEW car into a used car........even in a Prius friendly market.

    I'd street price this car at 16-17K.
    ...closer to 16 for a usta-be commercial unit....and a base model car (like mine.)
    You're smart by the way for buying base.

    Did the dealer provide a maintenance history?
    How scrubbed in are the tires?
    Are they original?
    Have the wrench that you hire FULLY inspect the rotors. Nothing handles like a rental car! ;)

    My feces detector popped positive for crook when they tried to steer you away from an independent inspection.

    Good Luck!
     
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    Hey I respect that you are sticking to your budget. That's tough for me when it comes to these things sometimes. The Prius has excellent reliability and if you find a 2015 you should be able to easily get 10 years out of it. We are just trying to make sure that particular one doesn't have something wrong with it or they aren't trying to rip you off. But the gen 3 (2010-2015) is a great car. I have a 2012 and I love it.
     
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    Anthony,

    I bought my 2013 Prius used from a Dealer.
    It was also a Rental fleet with 20k, still under factory warrantee.
    How does the car look overall?
    Clean interior, no strange odors? decent exterior? Normal tire
    wear?
    Go with your gut feeling. Price sounds fair.

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    Thank you for your reply. I have to agree with you on the price being fair providing there are no issues with the car. Although the prices for these cars are not as cheap as i would like or they "should' be. In reality, within 250 miles of my home, this is a good price. From some of the replies on this thread it seem as if prices are much cheaper in other parts of the country. Have a good weekend.
     
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    Ok, for the most part, due to the replies here, I have been a little scared off from buying this car today without a independent inspection first. I appreciate everyone's input tremendously. If you're not totally sick of me yet i would like to introduce you to possible car #2 which is similarly priced, has lower miles, but may have a similarly conspicuous history.

    It is a 2015 Prius 2, 7600 Miles, Toyota CPO, and they are asking 18800 out the door. The the only major red flag that i am seeing is that this car has already had 2 owners. It was originaly leased from the dealership where it is currently for sale, then sold at a Nissan dealership after 7 months (Toyota sales person says it was traded in for a Pathfinder there or something, not sure how he would know that info in first place), After sitting at Nissan for 4 months the car is sold to buyer 2. Buyer 2 has the car for 7 months, drives it 4k miles then, according to the sales person, decides to trade up to a 16 Prius at current Toyota dealer because he is taking the car "back to his country" and wanted the latest model because he thought it would depreciate slower. This dealer said he would be fine with me taking it for an independent inspection. Something that i am reluctant to do because i would likely need to take a whole day off of work. Does this car seem sketchy to you and would you all still recommend a independent inspection?

    Thank you all very much for your time!
     
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    I bought my 2012 last year with 40,000 miles and it had already had two owners as well. But one owner had only put 2,000 miles on it or something. I haven't had any issues and it was CPO as well. I feel like if they are ok with the inspection it's less likely they have anything to hide. Price doesn't seem too bad, especially with such low miles
     
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    have you considered a non hybrid? might be cheaper.
     
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    As cast your net wider:

    Steve @ Autobeyours is a Prius guru w/ an excellent reputation. He buys insurance write offs for parts and makes good salvaged cars when possible. Rebuildable Prius and Electric Vehicles

    How about a used Gen2? And just buy a new OEM HV Battery for $2K, to realistically get 8-10+years of no battery issues?
    2006, 103K miles, for $7K? People who maintain their Pri's seem to easily hit 200K+ miles.
    2006 *Toyota* *Prius* 4dr Hatchback