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Cabin Air Filter and "Cabin Service" (?)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by gbbari, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. gbbari

    gbbari Junior Member

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    Here's a new one (at least for me). Went to local dealer where I bought my 2005 Prius for oil/filter/wiper blades/tire rotation & pressure check, and to check out the radio/antenna for problems with AM reception (but the radio problem will be on another thread).

    The service writer (yes I now he's on commission) came out 1 hr later and sat down to show me a laundry list of recommeded services that they "discovered" my car needed. BTW, my car has 42K miles (mostly easy highway commute, 60 miles RT per weekday) since new in March 2005. Runs great, 49 mpg in warm weather, about 43-45 mpg in winter.

    The "list" included:
    1. injector service [cause="dirty"] Parts 42.99 labor 1.0 hr total $160
    2. induction service [cause="carbon buildup"] Parts 89.95 labor=1.0 hr total $198.00
    3. PCV Valve [cause="due @ 30,000 miles", this despite paying over $500 for the 30K service last year] Part=$17.00 labor=1.0 hr total $126.00
    4. Inverter Flush [cause="protect inverter - low"] Parts=$24.95 labor=1.0 hr total $135.00
    5. clean Mass Airflow Sensor [cause="dirty"] labor 2.0 hrs total $210.00
    6. cabin air filter [cause="dirty"] part $24.99 labor 0.3 hr total $65.00
    7. cabin service [cause="clean equip mold"] parts $69.95 labor 0.8 hr total "160.00
    8. Adjust drive belt [cause="loose"] labor 0.5 hr total $64.00
    Despite some of the more obvious attempts here to lighten my wallet :eek:, the "Cabin Service" was of interest. Service writer told me they hook up and inject some sort of foaming cleaner into the air fan box assy that cleans out all the dust and mold. I never heard of this; Toyota manual doesn't mention it in the service schedule; writer guy said the cleaner "just came out last year". Anyone here know about this? I have not noticed any odor in the cabin.

    Comments on the rest of the list? (I have read about the cabin air filter and downloaded John1701A's How-to-replace article, and I read about replacing the PVC valve -although pictures would give me a bit more confidence. I can tighten the serpentine belt unless the tension idler is inaccessible for an arthritic 60 year old. I am not a shade tree mechanic but these prices are forcing some do-it-myself efforts...:mad:

    AL
     
  2. efusco

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    Walk away from all of it...
    Buy a filter online for about $6...heck buy 3 or 4 so you save on shipping..and change it yourself. Labor cost ~5 min. @ $0.
    The entire rest of the list is complete BS.
     
  3. gbbari

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    Evan that approach suits my wallet just fine :). I take you see nothing here that raises any red flags (like the inverter fluid which he claimed was low - but how could they tell?) for possible warranty issues later on (I bought the extended warranty). I do realize we're talking probabilities here since it's via internet and no one here has seen my actual car.

    BTW - where is the source for $6 cabin air filters?

    Al
     
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    wow 210 dolllars to clean a mass airflow sensor, might as well buy a new one. 0.3 hour to change cabin air filter is pretty long, usually it takes me a minute. Your PCV valve shouldnt need changing so quick, usually i would take it out and shake it to make sure the valve is working, but if the dealer over filled the oil it would crud it up real bad

    i love auto shops, overcharge on labor
     
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    Statultra...what the heck is a mass airflow sensor and where is it located?

    I'd take out the PCV valve too except I get the impression it's pretty well buried - by the time I'd get to it to shake it, I may as well replace it anyway ($17 part from Toyota). Not sure about the "PCV connecting hose cleaning" part. THAT may be a "hose job" :D

    They charge $105 per hour. Big shop, lots of writers, "helpers", and admin people around; someone has to pay for all that overhead...:rolleyes:

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  6. efusco

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    I would say to them that "if the inverter fluid is low then I'd like you to search for the source of the leak, under my hybrid warranty, since it's a sealed unit and the inverter fluid shouldn't require servicing until 100k miles according to Toyota."

    PCV valve should be changed at 60k.

    If there is serious carbon build up then I'd ask for that to be repaired under the 3/60k warranty as that shouldn't be happening either.

    Likewise the 'loose drive belt'...it's a chain (if they mean the timing belt) and there's only one other rubber belt that should be perfectly fine at this stage.

    This is pure and simple legalized rape.

    There's just nothing there that should be necessary.
     
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    One thing certainly needs changing: you need a new dealer.
     
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    Added all that up to $1118. Your service writer must have a pretty nice boat!

    Anyway, Evan's right that if some of those things are really needed, they ought to be N/C warranty.

    I do think there is value to fuel system cleaning (when it's needed), but those labor hours are silly.

    The Mass air flow sensor is the thing sticking in from the side inside the airbox. If a feller didn't know where it was, he might be able to spend 2 hrs looking for it. But cleaning it? Um, no.

    Pass on most of this fluff, and think about changing the transaxle fluid instead. A gallon of WS should be $20 (or is it $40?). They could probably find the fill-hole in a couple of hours :)
     
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    I'd wait until 60k, still, for the transaxle fluid...and that's not even recommended by Toyota until 100k...but do it at 60k...gotta throw that service writer a small bone!
     
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    I bought ~$100 worth of filters from Toyota Scion Parts Accessories Discounted Prices - Metrotpn and was very satisified. The Auto Parts Store - New and Used Auto Parts - Hoy Fox Automotive Group and a dealer in Texas also have good prices. These sites are Toyota dealers' Parts Departments. The list prices on the internet were significantly lower than what the local dealers quoted me in person.
     
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    I just bought an Air filter and cabin filter for less then 20$ shipping included off ebay but for those prices they are not Toyota filters. See here:CABIN and AIR FILTER PRIUS 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009:eBay Motors (item 350204753246 end time Jun-20-09 09:32:34 PDT)

    I agree with the assessment that you should only consider getting the Tranny fluid replaced. Has anyone considered getting the brake fluid changed? It's hydroscopic and on all my other cars I do a brake fluid change every 2 years. However, I understand that it's not easy to do on a Prius and that a vacuum operated brake fluid change can not be done in a conventional fashion. Can anyone confirm this?
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    My dealer charged me $90 to flush/bleed the brakes on my '04 Prius. You need the dealership scantool to command the system to bleed properly, otherwise you risk having NO brakes if DIY

    On old vehicles where it's simple, it takes me around 30-45 minutes to suck out the old fluid from the reservoir, add new fluid, and have a helper step on the brakes as I'm underneath monkeying around with bleeder screws. I honestly do think it helps braking performance and pedal feel
     
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    I would NEVER go back to that place ever again. And I can't remember the website, but there are a few of them for reviewing businesses and dealerships in particular.
     
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    get your filters yet?
     
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    Odd how I never saw this thread the first time around

    The entire list is completely laughible, especially charging what amounts to the price of a NEW mass air sensor, to CLEAN the old one

    The FJ and Prius appear to use the same MAF, at least they look the same. On my FJ, driveability and auto trans shif feel is enhanced, along with helping fuel economy, if I clean the MAF twice a year. Counting the time it takes to unplug the connector, remove two small philips head screws, carefully wiggle out the MAF, give a 2 second spritz of mass air flow cleaner

    CRC Industries Automotive Product Detail

    and put everything back together, MAYBE 5 minutes total time. If I'm being lazy

    Two hours?!?!

    On the 2004-2009 Prius, here is the MAF peeking out in the bore

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    A closer view

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    The shop manual detail. a) is the connector, b) are the two small philips head screws

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    I've only cleaned the MAF a couple of times on the 2004 Prius I used to have. Honestly could not say if it ran better afterwards. But with the FJ, a very noticeable difference

    Here is the MAF from my FJ before cleaning. The bulb thing is the intake air temp sensor, which is also part of the MAF

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    After giving a 2 sec spritz of the proper cleaner.

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    The sensor works by means of two "hot wires" inside the barrel. Any deposits of ash and whatnot, impair performance. One must aim the blast of cleaner inside the barrel, and two seconds is PLENTY to clean it

    Here are the two hot wires after cleaning

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    Hope this helps
     
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    I buy my Cabin Air Filters on ebay from Thailand, last time paid $2.35 and FREE Shipping. Funny thing they were Genuine Toyota in a Toyota Box!
     
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    Goto your local Toyota parts dept for a comparison.

    I doubt what you got was Genuine. The fraudsters are very good at forging packaging, hologram stickers, etc.

    Compare boxed and the part. Hold up crapBay & Toyota cabin air filter to the same bright light source (say ceiling light or indirect sunlight). If genuine, the same amount of light should be visible. The material should look identical ude the same light source.

    On a similar topic, there is is a bid difference in engine air filters. I stopped buying Fram & Purolator air filters b/c the filter media is crap. Very small holes were visible when held up to a bright light source (indirect sunlight). These air filters came from a big chain auto parts store.
     
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    Cut your own cabin filter from standard a/c filter elements.
     
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    Forgot about that. Some people do it.
    If you do it, get one that has a high flow rate [high CFM (cubic feet per minute)].