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  1. PasadenaPrius

    PasadenaPrius Junior Member

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    Hi all,

    First of all, thanks all for reading this post. I haven’t been a regular visitor here in years, because my 2010 Prius V (purchased new in Sep 2009) has been such a reliable workhorse. But the car now has almost 60,000 miles on it and I’m having my first major issue (aside from regular oil changes/inspections/software recalls).

    Last week, the car threw a “low key fob battery” warning at me, so I changed both batteries in both of my key fobs. I was able to drive the car (no more key fob warning) without any issues after that, until the next morning. I used the fob to unlock the car, then had trouble starting it — it took a lot of force to press down the brake petal, and when I hit the “start/stop” button, I heard a strange half-click noise. I waited a few seconds, tried again, waited another few seconds, tried a 3rd time — and then the car started.

    However, part of the display was black — the display that is to the left of the driver, where the car displays the battery graphic, and odometer/trip/miles remaining, did not work.

    The car drove fine, however, and I parked it for a few hours — when I returned, it started up fine and the display was once again working fine.

    The same thing happened 2 more times on 2 separate days, so I drove it to my authorized Toyota service dealer (Wondries Toyota in Alhambra, CA), explained the issue, and let the service team do their work. They held the car for about 3 days, and despite having the issue happen to them, could not tell me what was wrong with the car. I asked about the 12 volt battery — they said the battery was fine. One recommendation I was given was to hit the driver door “lock/unlock” button a few times as they believed this would solve any glitch with starting the car — I had not heard of this solution before and so I remain very skeptical of this. They also thought perhaps I need a whole new display (a $1800 repair), but I’m more concerned with the car not starting.

    However, they told me that was all they could recommend as they had not heard of this issue happening, and despite having the car for 3 days, could not tell me what could be wrong with it.

    I took the car back and today, I can’t even get it to start — the fob wouldn’t unlock the doors (had to unlock manually), and when I first got in the car, the green light on the “start/stop” button was illuminated, but it took a lot more force to depress the brake petal — and after several attempts to press the “start/stop” button, the light turned amber yellow. I let the car rest for a few hours and now it won’t even light up.

    Could this just be a dead 12v battery? (No idea why my local Toyota dealer would miss this if that’s the case — perhaps they just want me to buy a whole new display?)

    Hoping the forum could help with possible suggestions and obviously I’d love a recommendation for a different mechanic, as I’m not sure I trust my local Toyota dealer anymore. (I’m in the Pasadena, California area).

    Thanks,

    Da
     
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    Usually I would assume they would check the 12v battery and the associated connections. (grounding wires, bolts tightened)
    I wouldn't think they would pass up an opportunity to sell you a $300 12v battery.

    Go to a car parts store or a Batteries Plus to get a second opinion about the health of your 12v battery.
     
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    Incompetency is everywhere.

    Why don't you test the 12V battery yourself, esp if you have a DVM?

    Take these 3 readings:
    1) In the morning, take a reading at the terminals. DO NOT start/move the car. You want the battery to have sat for a few hours, so any excess charge to dissipate.
    2) Put car IG-ON (Foot off brake, press Power button 2x).
    3) IG-ON, turn on headlights (HIGH Beam), fan on high, defroster, radio, etc.

    A very healthy/new 12V AGM battery will read just over/under 13V.
    A healthy 12V AGM w/ a load should (condition #3) be above 12V.

    Battery SOC Chart.jpg
     
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  4. PasadenaPrius

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    Thanks for the suggestion! I don't have a DVM, unfortunately. Not sure I should tow the car to a Batteries Plus -- if it turns out the battery is healthy, I'd have to do a 2nd tow to get it to a good repair shop. (Researching good repair shops in the Pasadena area now...)
     
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    DVM (Digital Volt Meter), just so there is no misunderstanding.
    You probably have a friend who has one. Call around.

    Or, maybe just get a new 12V AGM battery. Yours is at least 6years old; possibly 7 y/o if purchased in 2009. You will have to replace it sometime in the very near future, which could be now.

    Pepboys is having a sale on the Bosch AGM battery that fits Prius. $158 + refundable core charge.
    Bosch, 4year total warranty, non-prorated.
    Toyota True Start, 7year warranty, pro-rated; from $200 if you can get the local dealer to price match other online Toyota dealer parts price.
    Years 1-2 100% of parts, service and towing
    Years 3-4 50% of Truestart MSRP*
    Years 5-7 25% of Truestart MSRP*

    Car Batteries | Pep Boys | Battery Installation | Car Service
     
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    Excellent suggestion -- maybe I'll just pick up a DVM for myself -- test out the battery at home and then I'll have it for any future issues. Can you recommend a good one I could buy at either OSH or Home Depot?
     
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    Sears
    $10, acceptable, and probably way better than the cheapest Horror Freight (Harbor Freight) throw away junk
    Sears.com

    HD says these two are available in store today:
    $37, a good value. The other two tools are useful, if you own your home/condo, and like to tinker/DIY.
    Klein Tools Electrical Test Kit-69149 - The Home Depot

    $49. I like this b/c its auto ranging, which you are paying for the convenience; not needed, but really nice to have.
    Klein Tools Auto-Ranging Digital Multi-Meter-MM400 - The Home Depot

    OSH & Ace Hardwdare shows no DVMs.

    Horror Freight, as a last resort.

    I got Carson Toyota to come down in price considerably for my replacement 12V, 7-2014, $163.31 (before tax). Today, I would be fine buying a Bosch from PepBoys, esp if I could get it on sale.
     
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    Awesome, thanks so much for the suggestions. One final question -- I've been Googling how to use a DVM (I am the polar opposite of handy), but is there a good link you might already know of that shows specifically how to do this on a 2010 Prius? Or if it's simple just a how-to-check-voltage list that I can follow?
     
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    open the hood, and take the cover off the fuse box. there is a red cover that swivels on a hinge on one side. flip that up and you have the 12v jump point. there is only metal on one side of the jump point, so you have to put the positive (red) cable on that side. put the negative on any close by unpainted bolt, stud or nut. there are drawings of the jump point in your owners manual.
    check it after the car has been off for at least several hours.
     
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    There are probably YouTube videos of DVM.

    For DC (Direct Current) measurements:
    Red is supposed to be the HOT (positive).
    Black lead is for ground (negative).
    If you reverse the leads, the reading will just be negative instead of positive (-12 vs 12).

    I believe Gen3 cars have the 12V battery in the engine compartment. The Red (positive) lead on the Positive terminal at the battery post (under a red cover). The Black lead (negative) on the negative battery post or a unpainted ground bolt somewhere nearby.
     
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    OK, that sounds totally easy. And then (if I bought the Klein Tools Electrical Test Kit that you recommended above)... what do I set the dial to before testing the battery? (Apologies, I'm a total dummy when it comes to anything remotely electrical.)
     
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    It's a six year old 12v, four years is good, five better, six....

    At least charge it once a week, but it's time for a new one.
     
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    gen 3 still has the battery in back. but it is easier to open the hood, take the cover off the fuse box, then flip up the red cover over the 12v jump point.
     
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    Dial should be in the "7 o'clock," position, at the number "20".

    Black test lead plugs into "COM" on the Klein DVM. COM, is an abbreviation for COMMON, aka GROUND.

    Red test lead will plug into the right side of "COM". This right connector has the following symbols:
    V = Voltage

    Ω = Omega = Ohms (resistance)

    and other symbols which Word does not seem to have.​
     
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    I think you should get the $10 Sears DVM. The $37 Klein set, has two additional tools you may never use.
    I don't know how close a Sears is to you though.

    Consider getting a 12V battery charger down the road. Perhaps a Xmas wish list for someone to get you.
    $47 Schumacher


    $80 CTEK


    Both charger can do the 3 common battery types: wet, gel, AGM
    Both fully automatic.
    I went w/ the Schumacher b/c we still have conventional cars w/ larger batteries; I want that faster charge rate.
    The Ctek is really nice. Especially the battery post attachment that can be attached and left behind.

    Some view a battery charger as a waste. They just proactively change out the battery (every 4years). However, if you should ever leave a door ajar for a prolong period of time, or accidently leave any interior light on (map, dome, trunk), your battery might be drained enough to where it won't start the car. The charger will bring it back.
     
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    or amazon, they should have one.
     
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    Update: It was totally the 12v battery. I took it to an independent shop (LEX Mastertech in Pasadena), and the mechanic quickly diagnosed that it was a bad battery and swapped in a new one -- the car is running great again. Meanwhile, the Toyota dealership I took it to originally, Wondries Toyota in Alhambra, is still leaving me messages -- the most recent one recommended that I bring the car in to get a new display ($1800) and possibly a new starter (no idea how they arrived at that conclusion -- they had the car for 5 days total and I asked them to check the battery when I first brought it in, they claimed it was 'perfect').

    The mechanic I wound up working with said that it was very easy for him to tell that the battery was not holding a charge and came to the same conclusion I did -- the Toyota shop was trying to sell me on repairs that I didn't need.

    Wanted to thank everyone that replied to this thread for your help!
     
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    DavidA Prius owner since July 2009

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    Glad you got it fixed. I was going to guess the battery also before you posted the resolve above.
    I now replace my 12v every 5 years no matter what the dealer says the of the condition following a test. My 12v died at the 6 year point and raised havoc with almost every system of the car. My fobs were also reporting low, despite having new batteries in them before my problems. New 12v fixed all of this.
     
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    I'd still look into multimeter and charger as mentioned above, digital load tester like Solar BA5 is good too. Really frees you up from having to rely on the professionals' honesty.
     
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