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Fuel Gauge always reads empty even when gas if full

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by PacketPaul, Oct 15, 2016.

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    My Fuel gauge on a 2007 Prius always shows empty, even after filling the tank. I performed the inclination reset and disconnected the 12 volt battery for 30 minutes. Neither procedure fixed the problem. Any ideas?

    Long version: The car developed Hybrid Battery issues. I left the car parked just off the road where it sat at an angle for two months. When I went to start the car it was totally out of gas and needed a jump start. So I put a few gallons or so in the vehicle to get it to gas station and jump started the vehicle. When at the gas station I filled the vehicle while it was running as the 12v had been totally discharged. I was told the 12v will not charge if the Hybrid battery is having issues so I did not want to turn off the vehicle. I had the hybrid battery repaired, the 12v is now fully charged. Yet the vehicle still reads empty. I accidentally overfilled the vehicle since I did not understand the gauge was broken. Both Inclination Rest procedures and disconnecting the 12v battery does not help.
     
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    After reconnecting the 12V battery, how long have you allowed the car to remain READY? It may take several minutes for the fuel gauge to register the correct fuel level.
     
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    Hi Patrick, thanks for the reply. What do you mean remain READY? Will turning the car on and driving suffice?
     
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    Driving probably not a good idea b/c the gas will be sloshing around.

    READY is that, able to drive. Brake depressed and Power button pressed, green color LED on Power button.
     
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    The dashboard has a READY light, which indicates the car is ready to be driven. You don't actually have to drive the car unless you want to go somewhere. Let the car sit in the driveway for several minutes while the READY light remains on.

    With US-spec Prius, the LED in the POWER button will remain dark when the Prius is either READY or IG-OFF. That LED will be green if the Prius is ACC-ON and red if the Prius is IG-ON.
     
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    I appreciate all of the responses. I disconnected the battery for an hour then filled the car with gas. Still the gas gauge shows empty. Any ideas?
     
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    Try resetting the inclinator.

    Follow directions on pages 5-6: "15. Reset Inclination Sensor."
     

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    Hi ExStudent, Thanks for the PDF. I've tried that procedure numerous times without result.

    The fuel level is passed to the computer through a change in resistance. The higher the resistance the lower the fuel. Is there a way to read the resistance from the ODBii connector? That way I could "see" what the computer is receiving.
     
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    Not sure about seeing resistance w/ fuel meter on techstream.

    You might just have to pull meter out to measure, if that is possible.

    How much is a used meter (if replaceable) or used gas tank (if meter is built into tank).
     
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    When you fill the car the consumption meter will reset. Just refill before you get to 400miles. Driving the car full of gas will bounce the float around and it will fix itself soon


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    Hi Paul. Thanks for the reply. I hope the fix is that easy. I've filled the tank twice with no improvement. Both times I let it go down to 340 miles. It is a little scary letting it fall much further without any idea how much is actually in the tank. Both times I added 7.5 gallons of gas. Do you think draining more will help?
     
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    No. If you want to DIY then get the electrical wiring diagram at techinfo.toyota.com so you can figure out how the system works.
     
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    I don't know if this will help. After I fill up the tank, with the car off, I have to wait for the gas engine to start before the the gas indicator registers the gas. So, the next time you fill up, just wait a minute or two before you disengage park and see if this works for you.
     
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    Ten gallons is safe and yes I think it's as easy as being patient. Patrick Wong is right though you could accelerate the process,I respect his advice


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    Hey I want to thank everyone for the advise. I went through the wiring diagram and figured out how the system worked. Basically fuel level info is sent via a change in resistance. Unfortunately, the resistance increases as the fuel drop. So an empty tank may be a broken wire (infinite resistance), or something else. My plan was to tear the car apart measuring the resistance readings from the gauge to the fuel tank to see if I can find the problem.

    But the gauge magically fixed itself. I was on a long road trip (1,700 miles in total). After about 1,200 miles the gauge started working (after filling the car). During the entire trip, I was trying to go 350 or more miles between fill-ups with the theory draining the tank would help loosen the indicator. At 1,000 miles I overfilled the tank. Literally putting 11.02 gallons of gas. Frankly I think I was overcharged for the fuel as I should have had 2-3 gallons in the tank already. But either way, I filled the tank as full as it could get. Then about 200 miles later, I topped the tank off again with just over 3 gallons. When I turned the car on ... boom it started working.

    So if someone in the future is reading this and has a similar problem, try filling the gas full, then full again after 2-3 gallons. Probably just a coincidence, but it is worth a try.
     
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    My fuel gauge just started staying at one bar, so I'll give it a try. Glad yours worked itself out.
     
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    FYI, the attached pdf has a very good explanation of the prius fuel and evap system.

    Note from the pdf.

    "The direct acting fuel gauge is located in the sub tank. This gauge consists of a pipe surrounded by a coil. A float in the pipe moves up and down with changes in the fuel level. A magnet is attached to the float. The up and down movement of the float causes a change in the magnetic field.The flow of current through the coil creates a potential difference and the resultant voltage is transmitted to the meter ECU."
     

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