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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Another excellent report from Jeff Cobb: November 2016 Dashboard

    Model 11/15/16 10/15/16 09/15/16 08/15/16
    1 Prius Liftback 7284 5421 9790 10177
    2 Ram Pickup Diesel* 4488 5092 5385 5235
    3 RAV4 3757 3551 4127 4919
    4 Fusion Hybrid 3372 4915 3776 3002
    5 Transit Diesel* 2583 3571 3780 4198
    6 Volt 2531 2191 2031 2081
    7 Accord Hybrid 1879 1296 1160 890
    8 Sonata 1867 1479 1815 1146
    9 Fusion Energi 1817 1372 1652 1422
    10 Model S* 1800 1200 4100 3200
    11 Camry Hybrid 1693 1802 1902 2155
    12 Leaf 1457 1412 1316 1066
    13 Model X* 1400 1000 2600 1900
    14 Prius c 1372 1543 1459 1459
    15 Prius v (lowercase v... every month...) 1058 1168 1222 1346
    16 Colorado Diesel 886 1056 1031 832
    17 C-Max Hybrid 811 398 739 879
    18 Prius Plug In 781 4 2
    19 Malibu Hybrid 769 600 618 522
    20 C-Max Energi 721 571 689 707
    21 RX 400 / 450 h 666 535 387 574
    22 Avalon Hybrid 639 673 688 775
    23 i3* 629 442 391 1013
    24 MKZ 552 450 460 541
    25 CT200h 550 564 638 819
    26 Canyon Diesel 538 434 358 340
    27 Highlander Hybrid 483 356 383 506
    28 X5 436 406 482 876
    29 ES Hybrid 434 353 497 692
    30 Optima Hybrid 423 482 591 654
    31 A3 Plug In 394 348 312 346
    32 F-Pace 366 211
    33 Grand Cherokee Diesel 345 357 370 368
    34 e-Golf 305 407 529 454
    35 500e* 287 319 370 311
    36 Sonata Plug In* 275 250 275 250
    37 NX Hybrid 241 188 233 224
    38 3-Series Plug in 215 92 54 51
    39 Range Rover Sport 197 253 290 242
    40 Range Rover 186 165 183 202
    41 Soul EV 179 190 217 153
    42 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 179 138 131 197
    43 i8 173 199 158 145
    44 XC90 Plug In 161 142 148 176
    45 CR-Z 146 168 165 222
    46 Q50 Hybrid 134 148 174 150
    47 Mirai 105 103 69 371
    48 XE 100 59
    49 3-Series Diesel 96 23 50 120
    50 Panamera S E-Hybrid 88 38 28 59
    51 Pathfinder Hybrid 68 64 80 58
    52 Focus EV 66 73 82 75
    53 QX60 Hybrid 64 59 63 65
    54 S550 Plug In 52 174 41 30
    55 B-Class Electric 52 58 51 57
    56 NSX Hybrid 51 67
    57 Promaster Van Diesel 47 45 32 32
    58 forTwo EV 47 43 44 55
    59 Jetta Hybrid 45 48 76 128
    60 Spark 39 260 315 292
    61 RLX Hybrid 33 13 24 19
    62 Lacrosse Hybrid 31 53 35 60
    63 GLE 550e Hybrid 30 19 26 24
    64 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 27 44 79 117
    65 5-Series Diesel 20 33 38 65
    66 7-Series ActiveHybrid 18 22 5
    67 X5 Diesel 15 38 80 177
    68 Civic Hybrid 15 14 38 50
    69 GLE-Class Diesel 14 25 45 67
    70 X3 Diesel 9 13 7 32
    71 Q70 Hybrid 7 9 8 9
    72 GL-Class Diesel 5 14 8 48
    73 i 5 4 17 25
    74 ELR 5 3 6 6
    75 E-Class Diesel 4 9 11 30
    76 Insight 3 1 9
    77 Cruze Diesel 2 5 7 7
    78 LS 600h 2 6 11
    79 GS 450h 1 4 3
    80 ML Class Diesel 1 1
    81 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 1 2
    82 Tucson 4 2
    83 E400H 2 1
    84 Q5 Hybrid 1 2


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    • Prius Prime - nice first month. Usually peaks after 3-4 months
    • Prius hatchback - under a 'stop sales' due to parking brake recall including fixing inventory
    • Volt - seems to be picking up
    • IONIQ - sales are unchanged and steady
    Bob Wilson
     
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    look at accord hybrid go! thanks bob.
     
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    Excuse me, but what does all that mean?
     
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    I got really pissed because auto reporters were making misleading claims by comparing one months data to a year ago and the previous month. Then I noticed Jeff Cobb had everything for one month in his excellent, dashboard web page.

    Every month I take Jeff Cobb's data and add it to an excel spreadsheet and share the four month trend. For example, there was a 'stop sales' on the Prius hatchback because of a parking brake problem. Toyota had to get the part, a 'clip', and fix all the cars on the dealer lots before sales could resume which suppressed sales Oct-Nov 2016. For fun, see if you can find anyone else who described the sales dip and the reason why.

    Before VW was caught, a lot of automotive reporters were hoping the Jetta TDI would replace the Prius. Except the Jetta and other TDI variants never even came close. But that never stopped them from trying to write a premature Prius eulogy. So let's call this 'fact checking' versus 'fake news.'

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    Ioniq, steady sales indeed!!
     
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    missed that?

    mirai up almost 2%!!!

    781 prime? that's shocking. clearly, we need a way to reach out to these people. what do we have, a dozen member owners so far?
     
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    Difficult to know where sales volume will end up with the Prime for at least a few more months. It was not on sale for the whole month of November. But more importantly, Toyota sold just about every one they could build. When supply catches up with demand, we will know.
     
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    This is the type of irresponsible, boosterism articles that led me to this monthly exercise: US Electric Cars Sales Up 44% In November — 1.1% Of US Car Sales! | CleanTechnica

    However, for now, it’s the top 5 players — Tesla Model S, Chevy Volt, Ford Fusion Energi, Tesla Model X, and Nissan LEAF — dominating the market. They accounted for 73% of US electric car sales in November*.

    Notably, I think this is also the first time that US electric car sales surpassed 1% of total US car sales — a milestone that may seen small on the surface but is often seen as a tipping point in the evolution of a disruptive technology.

    The rest of the article is based on percentages, another tell when someone is trying to 'gild the lily.' But one look at the graphs solves the problem:
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    I'm not seeing a sudden, one month jump in the data. Heck, the RAV4 is substantially higher sales than the Volt. It gets worse when you look at the Prius hatchack:
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    The Prius hatchback sales increased by as much as the total Volt sales.

    I'm not a fan of Clean Technica or I would share my concerns with them. If someone else wants to, free free, but it won't be me.

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Bob, the Rav4 hybrid and Prius LB don't have a plug, and thus, aren't electric vehicles for the context of that article.
     
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    No problem, neither are the diesels.

    Rather it is the title "US Electric Car Sales Up 44%" that is misleading when you look at the last four month, slopes of the plug-in sales. So let's look at the year in review:
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    My eyes see an upward slope in Jan-Mar but flatlined afterwards. The title of the article suggests more optimism than warranted. I'll try to make a year long trend chart to normalize the scale:

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    In reality, most of what happened is Tesla began volume production in the first quarter of 2016 ... the largest part of the 44%.

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    Except, the industry norm, and this maybe true in other industries, is to compare a month sales to the month from the previous year.
    The Volt, Leaf, and Fusion Energi sales are all up compared to last year. The Model S is actually down a little, but the number is an estimate anyway.
    The Prime added a little to the improvement over last year, but the Model X is the big contributer to the plug in segment since its deliveries really didn't start until Dec 2105.
    And this would have been a factor for the Nov 2015 numbers
     
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    It was this type of bad industry practice that led me to tracking the Jeff Cobb, Dashboard data. I've seen too many times when picking the right months for a year-to-year comparisons led to misrepresentations.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I love numeric analysis. As the analyst, I determine the truth that is told, employing the tools of my choice. My bosses love me!
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    But how is it a bad industry practice?
    It controls for variables that can skew a month to month analysis. You mentioned Tesla ramping up production because of the beginning of the financial quarter. A comparison to the previous year's month will filter that out because the timing of financial quarters remain the same year to year. The same with holidays and any associated sales.
     
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    No problem from me. I have no problem if folks looking at all the data choose another reality.

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    So I took a look at Jay Cole's: Several Plug-Ins Hit New 2016 Highs, As November EV Sales In US Rise Sharply

    date value G-avg
    1 01/15 6075 6075
    2 02/15 6951 7580
    3 03/15 10341 9182
    4 04/15 9094 10017
    5 05/15 11540 10635
    6 06/15 10364 10305
    7 07/15 8951 9310
    8 08/15 8972 9257
    9 09/15 10134 9792
    10 10/15 9926 10014
    11 11/15 10070 10941
    12 12/15 13699 10915
    13 01/16 6191 8461
    14 02/16 7763 8894
    15 03/16 13857 11502
    16 04/16 10531 11592
    17 05/16 11447 12122
    18 06/16 15063 13710
    19 07/16 13267 14047
    20 08/16 14592 14856
    21 09/16 16974 14843
    22 10/16 10832 12994
    23 11/16 13337 13337

    • G-avg (Gaussian average) - .25*prev + .5*cur + .25*next
    When plotted:
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    There is solid growth beyond the first quarter of 2016 although the last quarter, December data is TBD. A spreadsheet shows values above and below 44% depending upon the month. The raw data is noisy which is why I used a Gaussian average.

    The Jeff Cobb data is looking only at specific car models and does not do an effective job of tracking the EV/plug-in and diesel subsets. His raw data has a summary but I don't collect it over looking at the outliers and specific vehicles but not a specific subset.

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    interesting, but i'm more interested in overall alt fuel vehicle sales. (excluding diesels) it's great if people are buying plug ins, but if they are moving from hybrids to plug ins, instead of traditional vehicles, it's not as great.
     
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    Probably the best way to see plug-in market share graphically is, well yeah, show with seasonality. These guys get it
    EV Market Share In The US Nearly Hits 1% In November – Graphs
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    Definitely the best market share, and you can tell raptid groth through 2014, then a fall in 2015 (black line), with lots of seasonality. Explanation for the june/september/December quarterly peaks is the effects of tesla which ships to US those months but fills the international pipeline in July/October/January extending those as bad months. There are also tax effects making December the best month most years.

    If you like units instead of market share.

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    And the four past months is all the data;)

    The Clean Technica article you called out wasn't just about Nov 2015 to Nov 2016, and does look at year to date that would account for the trend seen in the past four months. It also includes sales numbers, but the Tesla ones are suspect to me.

    Looking at 4month and yearly trends have their uses, just as looking at weather and climate does.

    Doesn't you graph support the general conclusion of the article that plug in sales have grown since last year?
     
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    It does since that data accumulated all of the EVs and plug-ins. There is some suggestion of a flattening late in the 3d quarter. We won't really know until December numbers come in. But that could be the Tesla autopilot changes.

    Bob Wilson