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  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: Updated 35.8 kWh Volkswagen e-Golf Now On Sale In Germany, Priced From €35,900

    Volkswagen is now accepting orders at home in Germany for the upgraded e-Golf, which you’ll be happy to hear has switched to a larger 35.8-kWh battery. Compared to the old one that had a 24.2-kWh pack, the revised electric compact can travel for 50 percent more before running out of juice, with an official rating of300 kilometers (186 miles) in the New European Driving Cycle.
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    Source: 2017 Hyundai Ioniq debuts in NY: 110-mile Electric range, 25-plus for Plug-In: Live photos

    And Hyundai released a few more specifications for the powertrain, including a confirmation of the 110-mile range projection for the Ioniq Electric.​

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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The 110 mile range was a release from nearly a year ago; its EPA range is 124 miles. NEDC, for comparison to this Golf, is 280km. Which is known to be optimistic,"VW is confident the battery can last for up to 200 km (124 miles) in the real world."
     
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    the prius bev will be 300 miles, trust me.;)
     
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    Breaking News: Diesel fuel found in e-Golf batteries, EPA investigates.
     
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    So thats where it went...
     
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    I want what HE'S having.
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    drink up!(y)
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Not if Toyota is still thinking like Honda.
     
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    but they're not. they've already admitted a bev is in the future, and fcev is not ready for prime time.
     
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    The new e-golf gets 125 miles of EPA range. The Hyundai Ioniq Electric is 124 miles EPA. The e-golf gets 126 MPGe. The Ioniq gets 136 MPGe.

    That's not much of a spanking..
     
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    Hummm, e-Golf sales for the past four months: 332, 443, 305, 407 versus Ioniq EV sales. Then we open the first post in the thread:
    I don't know if or when the announced VW e-Golf will show up in the USA and there are valid reasons for skepticism about the "New European Driving Cycle". It is 'New' and the current one led to some pretty incredible claims about the Toyota Prius Prime. Not trying to be difficult but given we're dealing with 'press releases', VW has made an impressive claim. increasing the pack capacity 35.8 / 24.2 ~= 147% makes a lot of sense as BMW did something similar with increasing their BEV capacity and range.

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    The "New European Driving Cycle" isn't new. The city cycle in it was first released in 1970, the highway cycle first released in 1990, and the last time it was revised was 1997. I mean, NEDC was partially new in 1990, but...

    The upshot is that this is the European cycle that produces hilariously inaccurate results.

    For comparison, Hyundai claims 280 km range under NEDC. Less than the e-Golf, yes, but it's also got a much smaller battery.
     
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    I think we're going to have to do is ask our EU friends to benchmark their cars with cruise-controlled, bi-directional, constant speed or no-stop loops. Then to the extent we have the EPA roll-down metrics, we can plot their values on a drag-power - vehicle efficiency curve.

    It kinda s*cks to do this when the 'powers that be' have the resources and budgets that would easily cover it.

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    Mind you, there's a new cycle that's being rolled out - World harmonized Light vehicles Test Procedure - that's supposed to be far more realistic, and supplemented by driving the test car on actual roads to measure actual emissions in actual driving. But, it's not out yet.
     
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    The Ioniq arrives in April. The 2017 e-golf apparently arrives sometime this spring in the US.

    The statement about the Hyundai getting 110 miles of range is an article from a year ago that is obsolete. The actual EPA rating for the Ioniq is 124 miles. The new e-golf with the 35.8 kWh pack and 186 NEDC estimate already has an EPA rating: 125 miles.

    E-golf:
    125 miles
    119 MPGe (I said 126 earlier)

    Ioniq Electric:
    124 miles
    136 MPGe

    Compare Side-by-Side

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    2017 VW e-Golf rated at 125 miles, tops 124-mile Hyundai Ioniq electric car
     
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