1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Unknown Plugs on Transmission

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by mjoo, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Hello everyone,

    I'm looking for a suitable drain and pressure source for my add-on transmission oil filter. When looking at some pictures off of ebay of used transmissions, I came across a couple of plugs that aren't discussed here or in my manuals. One of these is listed on
    OEM Toyota Parts Online | Village Toyota Parts
    as a "Plug for Front Differential Filler". Was wondering if anyone can recognize the plugs marked with green in the attached picture. Would you also know if any is a pressure source or drain for the Transmission oil or Inverter coolant? Thanks for your time.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Another reason I'm asking is I have the volume 1 service manual and these plugs aren't mentioned. Does TIS have this info?
     
  3. DonDNH

    DonDNH Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    1,711
    654
    0
    Location:
    Nashua, NH
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Four Touring
    I'm not sure if there is any sort of pumping going on inside the transmission that would give you reliable flow thru a filter. Several members recommend changing the transmission fluid at various intervals. I don't believe Toyota requires changing the transmission fluid at any routine maintenance interval.
     
  4. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,659
    38,203
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Just my 2 cents: I would let go on this. Just change the fluid one in a while.
     
  5. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Yeah If I can find a location to mount a bypass filter it'll happen. I may get a tiny flow rate out of the pump but it shouldn't matter.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
  6. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,659
    38,203
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    This'll drop the fluid level in the transaxle somewhat? Do you have a link to what you're installing?

    FWIW, I've drained the fluid 3 times now, the third time was pretty much overkill: very clean looking. If I was going to do anything, it'd be to get a magnetic drain plug, but won't bother now, think it's all good.
     
  7. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    My only concern is that the filter will divert too much flow from the trans so Ill be monitoring the before and after temperatures of MG1 and MG2. I can always get a smaller restriction orifice. The spec for the trans pump is only 0.4 PSI so I may have to find a small external pump.

    It'll add about an extra quart to the sump and provide more cooling.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
    #7 mjoo, Feb 24, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2017
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  8. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    The filter is similar to: Frantz Filters, LLC. Official Website

    Bob (Bwilson4web) had the transmission oil changed and analyzed three times. His results were that the oil oxidized, got thicker, and it's good to change it every 30k to keep the viscosity and wear down. I'm hoping to install a bypass filter and then change the element every 10k. The goals are to never need to drain the transmission fluid and to substantially reduce wear.

    I bought Bob's Prius last month and hope to continue the tradition of keeping the transmission clean. Several years ago I put a Frantz on a '95 Saturn transmission and it became like a brand new transmission shifting perfectly all the time. Of course, the Prius doesn't have gears but I still believe in the benefits of clean ATF.
     
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  9. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    If the plug above the fill plug (bottom right of my pic) is also attached to the transmission sump it will be easier to use.
     
  10. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,659
    38,203
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I'll back away from this thread, just to say: I would try to dissuade you from this. Simpler/safer to just leave the car stock, and do an occasional fluid drain/fill.

    Can you picture the consternation/confusion of a future owner of the car, or a dealership service department, if you left this filter in place. It necessitates more fluid, and it's debatable how much, if it's going to work. Also, you bring in extra hoses, couplings: risky.
     
  11. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    I understand. The filter would come off when I sell the car.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  12. mjoo

    mjoo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2016
    1,107
    1,311
    12
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    After reading this SAE article about the P410 I have a better understanding of how the transmission pump is used. The article states that 50-70% of the heat from the gears and motors is dissipated by dripping ATF onto the transmission. Unless the oil pump has a relief valve (like the engine's oil pump) - it's a very bad idea to bleed pressure from this pump.

    There's another way to pump oil to a bypass filter. A low pressure, low power, 3-12V DC fuel pump can be bought online for <$10.

    I would still need a place to pick up the ATF. Installing an adapter into the bottom of the transmission in place of the drain plug doesn't appeal to me. If that fitting ever leaked it could drain the transmission and I'd be SOL. It's safer tapping somewhere else. If the "Plug for front differential filler", facing the hood, gives access to the reservoir I might be able to run a metal tube into the reservoir that feeds a pump.