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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by SuperDave, May 25, 2017.

  1. SuperDave

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    I have searched but was unable to find a thread that applied to my situation. I went to start my car (04) which had been sitting for about a month, now the speedo display and lights around it do not work. Also the mileage meter is blank. I tried with the headlights off and on, I removed the dimmer switch to check for a bad or loose connection. Checked the 2 fuses that I thought were for the instrument panel. Any ideas?
     
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    Search for "combination meter" problems. Lots of those. Your best bet may be a repair done, which you can find on eBay for around $100 if you can DIY the teardown.
     
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    As you have a 2005, you may be interested in retrofitting a 2006-2009 combination meter (CM) and right hand instrument cluster to ensure your CM will rollover passed 299,999 miles.

    See the "Combination Meters that stop at 299,999 miles, Who's affected and what you can do about it." link in my signature for details, if you are interested.
     
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    Start by checking the 12v battery. Sitting for a month without a maintainer might have pushed it over the edge.
     
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    That was my first thought, too. Get the low hanging fruit first.
     
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    Thanks for the replies, for some reason I was not receiving alerts to this post. Here is a update along with a little past history on this car. First after not messing with the car for 2 weeks, I go out and now the display works :D, the brake and abs lights are on but everything functions. In the past, I have had the fuel gauge and abs light come and go on different startups.

    As mentioned, yes the 12v battery was dead and I had to charge after it had sat for the month. This car mostly sits as I have a 05 that I drive daily. In the past I have disconnected the 12v battery when I wasn't going to drive the car for a while, to save me from having to charge it.
     
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    Most obvious answer is: Dead 12 V battery.

    And after reading your last post, you now need a new battery AND if you intend to keep the car, you need an automatic battery tender type charger to keep from killing your new battery too.
     
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    The battery is fine, I have been driving the car everywhere the past couple days. The battery has gone dead a few times over the past couple years as result from sitting like it does, after a charge it always runs fine.
     
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    The advice from Sam Spade is worth listening to. Lead/Acid batteries do not like sitting for lengths of time in a state other than full. So every time you allow it to go flat, you are allowing the battery to damage. You may be getting away with it at the moment, but the longevity of the battery is at risk. Get a battery tender type of charger if you intend to let the car sit for extended periods of time, or alternatively, alternate using your two prii as a your daily drivers.

    As for your dash, the symptoms of your dash point to the combination meter (CM) dying, which is a known problem. Ultimately this will need to be replaced with a reworked one, or you could rework the CM yourself. As I said in a previous post, the 2004-2005 CM stops at 299,999 mi, so it may be worth retrofitting a 2006-2009 CM (plus RH light cluster) which will fix this. See the link in my signature for details about this.

    In regards to the dash lights, you need to investigate this further to see if they are real. The first step is to read the codes, record them and then clear them to see what comes back.

    hope this helps.
     
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    You both are correct, repeated draining of lead acid batteries is one of the worst things on them, I have worked with them in hard cranking race cars for 40 years lol.

    Times in the past when I know I won't be driving that car for a while I usually disconnect the battery.

    This car has always had some flute electronic issues, one of the main reasons the previous sold it.

    I am interested in looking into reworking the CM, I am pretty good with electronics, I have done a number of repairs on Prius and the early Insights along with my many electronic hobbies.
     
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    How do you KNOW that the battery is "fine" ??
    There is no information in this post that would indicate that.
    Every time it goes dead it's life is shortened.

    If the battery really is not dead, then maybe a cable is loose.
     
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    How do I know battery is fine? I have been driving this car now for 3 days solid, making many stops. As I said, I have let this happen (by mistake) a number of times in the past couple years and everytime the battery bounces back fine. It was a used battery in the car when I bought it and when it does go bad, I will replace it no big deal, a lead acid battery life's span is limited to begin with.

    The battery clearly is dead after sitting the extended periods, the cables are nice clean and tight. I believe the security system drains these newer cars when sitting.

    My issue has not been with the 12v battery, its with the erratic dash lights coming and going.
     
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    All of that in the first paragraph proves.......exactly NOTHING.
    I'm not trying to be nasty here; it is true.
    It is only an assumption which may or may not be true.

    But......if the car starts are runs OK when the dash lights are off or coming and going then I would agree that the battery probably is not causing the problem with the lights.

    If, however, when the dash lights don't come ON the car also won't start and other lights don't work.......then the likelyhood is VERY high that you have a problem somewhere at or near the battery.
     
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    how many miles on her?
     
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    I don't understand you point at all here. Around here with our winters a 12v battery normally lasts 4-5 years maybe a little more if lucky. I'm already ahead of the game with this one no matter what. This is not my daily driver anyway, I have 8 others to choose from if this 12v battery goes.

    The dash lights (speedo cluster) in this car has a erratic history even before I got it, only the dash lights nothing else. Even when the dash lights did not come on the car ran and drove as normal.
     
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    This one (04) has 177K, my 05 has 215K.
     
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    That simple little fact way back in post #1 would have saved us a lot of wasted time here.

    But for future reference, part of my point is:
    You can NOT use circumstantial evidence or guesses to "prove" that anything has not failed unexpectedly, especially batteries and other electronic equipment. That kind of stuff has a bad habit of becoming intermittent for a while before it fails completely.

    I don't remember anywhere in any of your posts where you said that the battery had been tested.
    Sometimes even the standard tests are inconclusive or misleading.

    Now back to the dash lights problem................
     
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    I don't see where the difference on if it drove or not pertaining to the dash lights?? In my searches in other posts, this did not seem to change the fact as to if the CM is bad or not. Explain to me what difference this makes in the end result?

    The 12V battery has been tested quite well this past week, I've driven a half tank out with multiple stops (roughly 10 starts today since my last post a few hours ago). It works like new.

    The fact that we have both spent this much time thought and typing over a inexpensive 12v battery that is in the "sunset" of its life anyway seems a little silly to me.

    As far as the dash lights go, I will look into a replacement CM. To be honest, as long as the fuel gauge works properly I can live with it.
     
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    If the whole car is completely DEAD, won't start, can't drive......then focusing on the panel which doesn't light up is NOT significant.......when everything else is dead too.

    Then, USING the vehicle is not a good test of the battery because it is constantly charged while the vehicle is running......AND with a hybrid, there isn't a big surge in the 12 V system each time the vehicle is started like there is with a conventional engine. A better test of the battery's health is to let it sit idle for a few days. An even better test is to connect a load tester to it a few times over several days.

    Making people aware of what can be caused by a battery "in the sunset of it's life" is not a waste of time.........except maybe for those who don't listen or still don't understand.
     
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    The whole car is not dead, and was not dead......... I don't understand the focus on it.. The 12v battery was low 2 weeks ago, I charged it and the dash (speedo cluster) would not light, The car then sat untouched for 2 weeks and then now it starts and runs fine. I have driven the car now for 4 days solid with no issues. Again the 12v battery is fine, it does exactly what It should do.

    And yes using the vehicle for testing the 12v battery is the ultimate test, its job is solely to work in a vehicle, if it works and does what it is supposed to do, its good. It does not get any more simple than that.

    You do not need to explain mechanic's to me, I have been working on cars and race cars at a higher level than most for 40 years. I worked in a transmission shop for 16 years, many dealerships in the area would call me for advice at times.

    Working with Lead acid batteries is not rocket science, depending on climate and work load they need replaced roughly every 4-6 years. I've seen new ones go bad in a few days and some last 10 years, often times they work fine one day and give up the next without warning. There are no sure things in life, a person can leave the doctor one day with a clean bill of health after multiple tests, and die the next from a heart attack, the same holds true for a 12v battery...