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DO I NEED DOOR COMPUTER?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Zollyzo, May 27, 2017.

  1. Zollyzo

    Zollyzo Junior Member

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    Hey guys,

    This is my first thread. I have 2006 Prius Gen II model and for the past eight months, my door light on the dash stays on although the doors and the hatch are all closed and locked.

    Because of that i cannot lock the door using the smart key. I took it to the dealer and after charging me 130 bucks, nothing happens.

    I am told it is the door computer light that is faulty. The dealer says it will cost me a whooping 1,300 bucks.

    Can anyone help with advise and description how this device looks like so that i can get one from the junkyard?

    Thanks to U all.
     
  2. ChapmanF

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    You might need to diagnose the problem first, since the dealer seems (once again!) to have skipped that part. It's $15 to get to the repair manual at techinfo.toyota.com, but that's peanuts to make sure you know what's going on before tearing into the car.

    I don't have a Gen 2 or the Gen 2 repair manuals, but I do have a paper copy of the Gen 2 New Car Features manual, which is the one that gives the important overview of what's where, doing what, and why. (You can find that also on techinfo, under the "NCF" tab.) The NCF section on "Theft Deterrent System" is probably the place to turn first, as it shows in just a few pages the relationship between the Body ECU (probably what the dealer was talking about, as if we should have to go around guessing what dealer techs are talking about when they don't use the correct terms...) and the inputs to it, and where these things are located.

    It gets separate inputs from the (side) Door Courtesy Switches, the Back Door Courtesy Switch, the Engine Hood Courtesy Switch, the passenger, right rear, and left rear Door Position Switch(es) (I think those make a Wired-OR on one input), the (driver) Door Lock/Unlock Switch, and something called the Halfway Switch (in the picture, seems to be with the Key Slot in the dash). All of those could be worth testing, the old-fashioned way, with a multimeter.

    The Body ECU can also give you diagnostic codes telling you what it thinks is going on. I don't know if this is true in Gen 2 still, but in Gen 1 the Body ECU could blink codes out for you on the DOOR light if you jumpered the Tc and CG pins. In fact, if it realized it couldn't communicate with the cluster to blink the DOOR light, it would blink the dome light instead. The repair manual will tell you if that still works. If they did away with that feature for Gen 2, then a Prius-capable code reader will be needed to get the codes.

    Any dealer tech worth their exorbitant rate would have (used the correct names for the parts and) told you what codes they read out.

    -Chap
     
  3. Zollyzo

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    Chap,
    Thanks so much. I am impressed by your detailed info on this problem. The dealership, as usual wont allow you into their shop. They came out to tell me that they have checked the entire wiring system from all the 5 doors (hatch inclusive) and they taught it was a wiring problem but landed on the computer. They claimed it was traced step-by-step. I wouldn't mind driving it like that but I need to program my other smart key and also each time I have to lock the door I will have to use the lock on the driver door inside the car before I get down. Very inconvenience sometimes.

    As you rightly said, they could not use the correct name. I asked specifically what do they mean by "door computer?" I was only hummed and said the system that controls the door. I myself could not add the entire maths up and I was even skeptical if they had actually did something at all to the car.

    A quick question, is there any diagnosis tool that can scan and detect the problem? I have OBDII scanner but cannot scan the door details, only CEL.

    I am very grateful once again. Thanks
     
  4. ChapmanF

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    Lots of people are using Techstream with various offshore "Mini VCI" clones. But seriously, spend the $15 and look at the repair manual; maybe it will turn out the Gen 2 body ECU can do blink codes the same way Gen 1 could. Then you don't need a tool at all.

    Caveat: reading the codes only tells you what the ECU thinks the trouble is. That's usually related to what the trouble actually is, when you allow for the ECU being stuck in its box only looking at its inputs, and not able to climb around the car and check them like you can.

    -Chap
     
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    Are lights on the button of the front door on? All the time? Only when that door is open? Not working at all?
    Interior lights in door position. On all the time? Only when some door is open (delayed turn off)? Not working at all?
    Trunk light in on position. On all the time? Only when trunk is open? Not working at all?

    If it was the problem with some ECU it could be a problem with Combination meter or Body ECU. Combination meter is (somewhat) common failure item but not in this way. Normally ECUs are very rare to fail.

    To scan a Prius best is to use Techstream software. You can get it cheap as Mini-VCI.
     
  6. Zollyzo

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    Valde3,

    Thanks for the questions. Here are my answers:

    Are lights on the button of the front door on? NO LIGHT IS LOCATED ON THE BUTTON OF THE FRONT DOOR. THE SMALL LIGHT THAT SEES THE GROUND WHEN DOOR IS OPEN WORKS NORMAL ON BOTH FRONT DOORS.

    All the time? NO LIGHT

    Only when that door is open? NO LIGHT

    Not working at all? NO LIGHT
    Interior lights in door position. On all the time? OFF ALL THE TIME

    Only when some door is open (delayed turn off)? Not working at all? WORKS EVEN WHEN ALL DOORS ARE CLOSED AND LOCKED UNLESS PLACED ON OFF POSITION


    Trunk light in on position. OFF POSITION

    On all the time? OFF ALL THE TIME

    Only when trunk is open? ONLY WHEN SWITCHED IT ON

    Not working at all? WORKS WHEN TURNED ON.

    MY PROBLEM: The Door Light on the Dashboard is always on regardless of the doors open or closed. Inside lights turned on when shifted to door-on regardless of the doors open or closed.

    Thanks guys.
     
  7. Zollyzo

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    Hey Chap,

    I just had account at the site you recommended techinfo. I could not find any info there. I will be happy to share the account username, the password, the VIN with you so that you can try it for me if you will not mind.

    Thanks
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  8. ChapmanF

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    If you have the account, you're most of the way to the information you need, all that's left is learning your way around it. Once you're logged in, you should see some search boxes near the top for your car model and year, and below that, a bunch of tabs. One tab is RM (the Repair Manual), one is NCF (the New Car Features manual), and one is EWD (the electrical wiring diagram). There are some others too.

    One thing I remember finding confusing at first was I would put in my search terms (model, year, maybe a keyword or two about what I was looking for), and down under my chosen tab would be kind of a flat unorganized list of matching sections from the manual. In other words, it's more like a search-engine result than a table of contents. The Aha! moment was when I realized I could just pick pretty much any of those, and it would jump me into that section of the manual, and there would be a proper table of contents on the left of that screen, which made more sense for browsing.

    If I were you, I'd start in the Repair Manual at the Body Electrical section, and look for what it says about reading DTCs from the Body ECU. In particular, does it only describe using the Toyota scan tool, or does it also have a heading for "in case of not using Toyota scan tool" where it describes a jumper wire and blink codes?

    I'd rather not have you compromise your account credentials by giving them to me (plus I'm kind of in the middle of some non-car projects), but I'd encourage you to go back and see if you can get the hang of finding the information that's in the manuals ... it will be a valuable skill for as long as you have the car.

    -Chap
     
  9. valde3

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    As the lights in bottom of front doors turn on and off when opening the door it means that body ECU does know if front doors are open or closed. And as the interior lights (in door position) stay on all the time Body ECU then has to think that a rear door or a hatch is open. I did not really understand how your luggage compartment light works. Does it (in ON position) turns off and on when opening and closing the hatch?

    You can test the Luggage Compartment Courtesy SW and Door Courtesy SW on bough rear doors and you will likely find one that is broken. If those are all fine then it has to be wiring or (very unlikely) a bad Body ECU.