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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Jtmartin22, Jul 5, 2017.

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  1. Jtmartin22

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    I went away for 6 days. Came back and car was running fine. After a few short trips, the Red Triangle of Death, VSC, check engine, and (!) lights all came on. It's a 2008 with 102k miles on it. I want to be informed before taking it to the stealership to get fixed. I purchased a wifi OBDII reader and the Fusion app for IOS. While waiting the 2 days for the OBD to arrive, the car didn't move. I turned the car back on and NO LIGHTS. I knew that this was too good to be true. I connected the reader and went for a drive. Sure enough, as expected all lights came back on. I've attached the report.
    I don't know what it is that I'm looking at. I can supply any additional information needed to crack the case. Just let me know. Thanks in advance.

    Jeff
     

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    have you tested the 12v?
     
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    Going to do that asap. Will let you know the results. I do know that while driving it was at 14.0-14.1.
     
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    you want the voltage after the car has been off a few hours. as for obd, many readers aren't specific enough for prius.
     
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    After searching through here for a while I decided on the VeePeak Mini. Can this do the trick? It returned the same P0A80 code that Pep Boys did. I'm using it with the Fusion App for IOS. This returned only the same code. Was expecting to see a more specific Toyota code.
     
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    You need to get a mini-vci obd2 reader w/techstream software and a dedicated laptop, preferably with winxp os. This will give you the same info the dealership techs will see and charge you about $100 for it.

    The mini-vci and techstream will cost less than $50, look on Amazon or Ebay, the laptop your call.

    The obd2 readers you have, while useful in a generic sense, is not going to be as informative as the mini-vci. If you plan to keep your Prius for more years, getting one will be worth it.


    2006 Gen 2
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    OK. So no luck getting my hands on a Multimeter. However, after letting the car sit for a few hours and finally getting the correct PIDs for the fusion app, I went to check it again. This time when I started the car, the only two lights on were the master light and the check engine(no vsc and no (!)). Also, when I turned the car on the gas engine did not kick on and the 12V was at 14.1. Also, now that I had the correct PIDs I got the Toyota specific codes of P0AFA and P3000. From my quick google the P3000 appears to be the ECU for the Battery system. If this isn't working properly could that be the cause of the low system voltage(P0AFA)?
     
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    Also, I have this information. Battery temps, Volts for each block ETC.
     

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    Thank you. Given the age and mileage of my car, I'm certain the TSB does not apply.

    It's also encouraging that you also think it MAY not be the Traction batteries.
     
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    patrick ^^^ knows way more than me. so if he thinks your reader is fine, and it's the battery ecu, i would listen, and ask him questions.
     
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    OK. Thanks.
     
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    What would your next move be if you were in my shoes?
     
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    Well, if you intend to rely upon the local Toyota dealership for service, then I suppose you should take the car there and see what happens.

    If you believe you can DIY, then I suggest you get Mini VCI so that you have access to the three-digit subcode that is recorded along with DTC P3000 as that would give you a further clue about what is wrong with your car.

    Your post #5 mentions that P0A80 was logged, which indicates the traction battery has a problem with at least one module. However that fault code did not show up in the pdf that you provided. If P0A80 is actually present, this will be visible with Mini VCI.

    If it turns out that the traction battery ECU has failed then you could buy a used unit from eBay and install it yourself. If you rely upon dealer service then expect the repair bill will be in the high hundreds, if not getting into the $1K range. Good luck.
     
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    Thank you. I don't intend any DIY. I also don't intend to be told it's the traction battery when it's something less costly. I'm not a huge fan of going to the the dealer for service. I'm having trouble locating a hybrid specialist in my area. Long island, NY. I looked into the mini vci but it just became too much as I don't have a laptop with windows 7 or 8. The closest thing I have is a chromebook that runs a linux VM. The bottom line is that I don't mind paying for the proper repairs. I just don't want to either pay for something unnecessary, be overcharged, or receive poor service and/or parts. I feel that being educated to the exact issue will prevent most of these things from happening.

    The P0A80 did show at one point. I cleared it and it hasn't returned.
     
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    It is not going to be easy to determine the exact issue without Mini VCI. It needs a laptop that uses Windows XP or Windows 7, 32 bit OS. You can buy a used laptop on eBay for ~$100 or so but may also need to replace the laptop battery before it can be productively utilized.

    It will be difficult to achieve your bottom line without having perfect information about the nature of your car's fault. At this moment I believe you lack such clarity.

    I DIY repairs and maintenance on my vehicles because I have found that the bottom line which you expressed can be very difficult to achieve. If I am going to go to the trouble of figuring out what is wrong and what is the appropriate repair for that issue, I'd might as well exert the effort to implement the remedy myself.
     
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    Thank you for your help and honesty. I understand what you are saying and you're correct.
     
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    I'll say something here based on the Gen 1 manual because I don't have a Gen 2 one handy, but a P3000 on a Gen 1 was an example of what you might call a hearsay code: there are several computers in the car, they talk to each other, and some of them will log a certain code just to confirm hearing about a problem from one of the other computers.

    In Gen 1, P3000 was a code that the HV computer would set, just to indicate it had received notice from the battery computer of a problem detected there. To find out what was really up, you would then go request codes from the battery computer.

    (Another example of this kind of code is the C1259 that the brake computer will always report, if it got a notice of a problem from the HV computer.)

    Again, I don't have a Gen 2 manual handy. If you want to be sure you're not getting bad diagnoses, you could spend $15 in lots worse ways than going to techinfo.toyota.com and checking the repair manual for your model and year.

    But so far the indications are that the battery computer detected a problem in its own jurisdiction, so to speak, and told the HV computer about it.

    -Chap