1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

New here and need some advice on which Prius to buy? (Gen 2 or Gen 3)?

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by hina, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. hina

    hina Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    9
    6
    0
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Hi everyone,

    I'm new here and I will be buying my first car. I just got my driver's license a month ago, practicing on a Prius C. I am a recent college graduate and my budget is around $10,000 USD. I live in the Portland, OR area.

    I have looked at various used car lots of SE 82nd and McGloughlin, as well as dealer websites. Dealer websites seem to have more newer (2014-2017) models, which I don't care for. I just don't know which one to get!

    I have done tons of reading on this website as I am someone who doesn't know anything about cars. My neighbor is a mechanic and specializes in Priuses, so he has been able to explain a lot of things to me. I will be taking him to inspect my future Prius.

    I have narrowed it down to Gen 2 or Gen 3 Prius.

    I like the look of the 2010+ better (the front head lights). I like the back lights of the 2005+, which are the same as 2010. I just hate the newer looking Prius's that are all angular and sharp looking.

    Interior, tech gadgets, and color, I don't really care about. I'd prefer red color, but it really doesn't matter.

    So I've been searching on Craigslist for 2007-2010 CLEAN TITLE (my family has a major issue with rebuilt) with LOW (under 100k) miles... For $10,000 or under... How likely is this? They also want me to go to a dealership and not a private party, though it seems like dealers buy from private parties and then jack up the price.

    Advice?

    Thanks for reading.
     
    Mendel Leisk, RCO and Prodigyplace like this.
  2. Prodigyplace

    Prodigyplace Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2016
    11,696
    11,317
    0
    Location:
    Central Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Welcome!
    Is there any reason to stop looking at 2010?I think the Generation 3 had a major refresh in 2012.
    The newer Generation 4 Prius Liftback started with 2016. The newer Prius c still are similar to what you drove.
    Dealers have the software needed to read any error codes. If you buy a Toyota Certified used car, it also has a warranty from Toyota.
    There are a few good third party dealers that specialize in hybrids, though.
     
    RCO likes this.
  3. hina

    hina Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    9
    6
    0
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    N/A

    Hi Prodigyplace,

    Because past 2010 seems to be over $10,000 USD. I am switching jobs, which requires me to have a car to drive, but I am still not an experienced driver. At my current job, I have been carpooling. I practiced on a Prius C 2014, but I hated that car. I have test driven a 2010 and 2011 Prius and loved it. Is 2012 considered gen 3? I have found a lot of information concerning whether gen 3 is 2010-2011 or 2010-2015. I would also like whatever year of car I have, to allow me to perform minor car repairs (changing fluids and basic things) myself, instead of having to go to a dealer to have it done.

    I have looked at certified Prius's at my local Toyota dealerships, but they are mostly new (2014-2017) Prius's and double my price range.

    Thank you.
     
    RCO and Prodigyplace like this.
  4. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    107,775
    48,983
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    welcome!

    gen 2 = 2004-9, gen 3 = 2010-15.
     
  5. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    107,775
    48,983
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    the important thing in buying a used car is knowing the history. you want a one owner with complete service records. and complete assurance that there have been no serious accidents.

    as a young, first time car buyer on a limited budget, it would behoove you to look through some of the complaints here on priuschat, and ask yourself, what will i do, if i'm unfortunate enough to wind up in one of these situations?
     
    RCO likes this.
  6. Prodigyplace

    Prodigyplace Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2016
    11,696
    11,317
    0
    Location:
    Central Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    @bisco is much more experienced that I since he has owned a Gen 2 Prius and now has a Gen 3.
    I think @jerrymildred could contribute advice here too.
    I have only owned my Gen 4 Prius since last October although my son had a Gen 2 & currently has a Prius v that is basically a larger Gen 3 Prius.
     
  7. jerrymildred

    jerrymildred Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    11,491
    14,100
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Welcome, hina. I understand your dilemma. On the one hand, you can get more features and maybe fewer miles on the older car for the same price. But then again, the battery is older and will need service or replacement sooner. On the other hand you have a newer battery with the Gen 3 but it will probably have more miles and more cosmetic defects at the same price.

    As you probably saw reading this forum, the battery is the scary monster lurking in the shadows. You can kind of get an idea of its health with a nice long test drive of 20 miles or more. Having someone with you who is knowledgeable of the battery's behavior will be a big help. Your mechanic friend can tell you if the battery meter is acting like it should. But it's still no guarantee. So newer improves your odds, if everything else is equal.

    When we moved back to the States in Sept, 2014, we bought two 2005 Prii from one of the most respected used Prius specialists in the country. My wife's had about 140,000 miles and mine had about 121,000. We got them both for under $20k, so right in your price range. Hers was actually slightly better driving, but a mindless texter doing about 60 mph totaled it at 176,000 miles as we waited at a red light. All we had done with it is regular maintenance, replace the 12V battery, an occasional grid charge, and (here's the one that hurt) replace the air conditioner evaporator AND compressor. That was right before it got totaled in Dec, 2016 [edit: oops! make that 2015]. We replaced it with a 2007 with 98,000 miles (also under $10k). It now has 119,000 and I just had to replace the hybrid battery due to a mistake I made in maintaining it. My '05 was bullet proof till it started to develop some expensive looking issues unrelated to the hybrid system. I could have fixed it up, but it was at 150,000 miles, was going to cost about $3k to repair, and I was really wanting a PiP, so I traded it in and got a nice deal on it.

    Long story short, both generations are reliable cars. They have the added potential cost of replacing the battery, but that doesn't HAVE to be super expensive. And they are incredibly unlikely to need transmission replacement, so I consider that an even trade.

    I would go with the Gen 3, preferably a 2012 or newer, if you can swing it, in order to have abetter chance of avoiding battery and oil burning problems. The battery, in particular, is inevitable if you keep it long enough, but it's not the end of the world and newer is better on average. Most people drive and then trade in their Prius with no problems at all. That's why it has such a great reliability reputation. I don't worry much about minor dings since some clown in a parking lot is eventually going to hit it anyway.
     
    #7 jerrymildred, Jul 19, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2017
    RCO and Prodigyplace like this.
  8. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Just a few off top of my head gen 3 advantages:

    1. Went from insanely hard to adjust shim style valve adjustment, to automatic hydraulic adjusters.

    2. Dropped the problematic gas tank with internal bladder.

    3. Obvious but hey: they're newer, lower miles.

    3rd gen downsides:

    1. Problematic, clog-prone Exhaust Gas Recirculation system. DIY maintenance is making headway though.

    That's about it?

    Fourth gen, I agree with you: regardless of the mechanical improvements, I think "something bad happened" lol.
     
    RCO likes this.
  9. Prodigyplace

    Prodigyplace Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2016
    11,696
    11,317
    0
    Location:
    Central Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Perhaps, but less bad than the other Toyota & Lexus options now.
     
    #9 Prodigyplace, Jul 19, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2017
    RCO and Mendel Leisk like this.
  10. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    True that. Seems like they're all going a little loopy of late.
     
    RCO and Prodigyplace like this.
  11. hina

    hina Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    9
    6
    0
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Hi all,

    Thanks for your replies. I found a 2011 prius for a little over $11k. One owner, free carfax (no accidents, all service done at Toyota dealership), less than 10k miles. It's at a dealer that is NOT Toyota, but it is an official dealer, just for another brand of car. I didn't find them through Craigslist either, I found them when searching through Carfax, so I'm hoping it is still there and available. It's one that my family agreed they would consider, given: Clean title, one owner, low price, low miles, good price.

    In another Prius I test-drove, the vents/air conditioning had a very foul smell, like either mold or urine. The guy tried to play it off like he couldn't smell anything and then that all car air conditioning smells like that in the summer, but my family's cars don't have that smell. Would something like that be a cheap fix?

    Thanks all!
     
  12. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    The smell likely due to constant AC use. This tends to leave moisture in the system, which can harbour molds and what have you.

    Maybe the owner like to use it as his AC bubble, lots of idling as well. I'd skip if you have other choices.
     
    RCO likes this.
  13. jerrymildred

    jerrymildred Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    11,491
    14,100
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    My latest one had a musty smell like that. @Mendel Leisk is right. I fixed mine by running that A/C and the vent with fresh incoming air (not recirc), and spraying LOTS of Febreze in the intake near the passenger side windshield wiper. It took two times to get it all. Pretty strong smell for a while from the Febreze, but it did the trick. It helps to not always keep the A/C on recirculate mode.
     
    RCO and Mendel Leisk like this.
  14. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,314
    3,588
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    As I think @F8L once said, Gen2 seems to "fit like a glove." It is perhaps quintessential. However, any Gen2 is at this point prone to the following big issues: HV Batt, combo meter failure, and brake actuator issue (covered to Dec_2017). If I went Gen2 I'd take a 2009 which may be less prone to above and get more extended coverages. A nice 2009 you should be able to get some 3 good years before these issues even start to become a factor.

    In OR you get extended 10-yr/150k on the HV batt so you are sheltered there.
     
    RCO, Mendel Leisk and jerrymildred like this.
  15. Munpot42

    Munpot42 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    1,391
    543
    0
    Location:
    Santa Monica, Ca. 90405
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    In your situation with your budget, I would look at other Toyota Products, or Honda products, non hybrid. Suggestions include a Corolla, a Civic or an older Camry or Accord. They are less expensive to repair when things go wrong, and with cars things always go wrong.
     
    RCO and Prodigyplace like this.
  16. hina

    hina Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    9
    6
    0
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Well guys, I went to go check out the 2011 silver Prius. I can understand why no one has bought it. Felt like I wasted a whole hour checking it out because as soon as I opened the door, the smell of death hit me. It completely reeked of cigarette stench, worse than I've ever smelled before. I was wondering why the pushy salesmen kept pushing me to the other Prius's when I wanted the 2011 one. Not to mention, there was a cigarette burn right in the car seats. They managed to angle the photos online just perfect enough so you don't see them. Sigh.
     
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  17. Moving Right Along

    Moving Right Along Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2016
    687
    539
    0
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    In your price range, you can probably find a decent 2009 or 2010 model with just under 100,000 miles or a 2011 or 2012 model with higher miles (100,000 up to 130,000). I got my 2009 Prius at the end of last year, and it was advertised for $8000.
     
  18. jerrymildred

    jerrymildred Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    11,491
    14,100
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    This would be clearly too far to drive to shop for a car, but might give you some pricing ideas. Todd doesn't haggle; these are the actual prices.
    Listings - Tampa Hybrids Inc.
     
    RCO and Prodigyplace like this.