1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Need Advice Gen 2 187K miles Is it worth it to replace Batt

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Tillo, Aug 3, 2017.

  1. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Good Evening everyone! I'm in a tough spot. We are a Prius family. Currently, own a 2007 with 187k miles and a 2010 with 55k. We've had no issues outside normal maintenance with either car, but two days ago our 2007 (bought brand new) lit up like a Christmas Tree. We took it directly to our mechanic who told us the following Trouble codes came up P1150 , P1116 and P1121. After discussing with them and lots of research I'm aware of what those codes mean. The repairs for replacing the Water control valve and the Pump for the cooling storage tank will be about $1200.

    In addition, they said the hybrid battery also had fault readings with a couple cells and another code that recommended battery replacement. This they said they could do for another $2700.

    I know the mechanic personally and he knew that my cut off was $3000 before I decided to just trade in the car and go buy a new/used instead of paying to repair it. So by him giving me a total of $3900 he knows he's losing out on the $1200 worth of work.....so I feel confident that he isn't just trying to upsell me on a new battery.

    SO onto my questions....#1. Should I pay the $4k to fix a 10yr old Prius with 187k miles? what other problems may arise after spending that amount?

    #2. Could I just pay to fix the $1200 pump & valve issues and roll the dice on the battery?

    #3. How long could/would a battery that's putting out trouble codes last until it dies?

    Thanks in advance for helping....really on the fence as to what to do....we love our car, but we think it may be time to trade her in and move on....any thoughts and opinions and experience would be great...
     
  2. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    107,777
    48,984
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    maybe take it to a dealer for a second opinion. if it really does need all that, it's a tough call. you could get another 100k or, or maybe your a/c will go, or engine, or brake actuator. who knows?
     
    kenoarto and Tillo like this.
  3. fotomoto

    fotomoto Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2009
    5,597
    3,771
    0
    Location:
    So. Texas
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    An hour, a day, a week, a month; probably not any longer than that.....

    Get all the codes from your mechanic friend and call other shops (especially independent hybrid specialist shops) for more estimates. $2700 for a NEW TOYOTA battery would be a good deal as it should last another 10 years in the Florida heat. Aftermarket (refurbs) batteries are a crap shoot but cheaper. If it's within your means, you could always sell the Toyota battery for $$$ when you send the old horse to the soap factory. :cry: :p
     
    Tillo likes this.
  4. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,314
    3,588
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    m.wynn and fotomoto like this.
  5. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
     
  6. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
  7. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,470
    8,383
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    I don't see a hybrid battery code on your post #1
     
  8. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Thanks for the idea of reselling the Battery....This car has been great to us, so part of me wants to just pay the $4k and let her keep doing us right. But the devil on my shoulder is saying this long with no issues , you're playing on house money WALK AWAY
     
  9. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
    I haven't gotten the battery codes yet, I'll be getting them in the AM and will post again once I have them.
     
  10. johnnyb588

    johnnyb588 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2014
    193
    73
    0
    Location:
    Tempe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    I
    Assuming you like the car...

    The car you own is virtually always cheaper than the car you don't own. That's the advice given by the financial advisor in me.

    The cheapskate in me also wants to give the advice that you don't necessarily have to replace the entire pack. Swapping out just the bad module/s is also an option, and it is significantly cheaper. If you want more info on that process, the forums have tons of info. Basically, it takes very little mechanical know-how whatsoever, $50/cell (usually one or two are bad), and I would recommend getting something like the Prolong charge/discharge system from Hybrid Automotive (they're around on these forums, you could also search for them) to balance once the bad cells are replaced.

    Ultimately, if you could not find a replacement car with around 100k for $6k or so, I think it is worth it to fix. In my area, the deal I am describing is not possible, but your used vehicle market may be a little different.
     
    #10 johnnyb588, Aug 4, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2017
  11. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
    P3000 and P0A80 are the battery codes ... also verified the price was for a refurbished battery install, not a new Batt.
     
  12. johnnyb588

    johnnyb588 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2014
    193
    73
    0
    Location:
    Tempe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    I
    If it's $2700 for a refurb, then there's absolutely no way would I consider it. You could go to a dealership and get a brand new battery installed for about the same amount.
     
  13. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,470
    8,383
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Does your mechanic want to buy your car?

    If you're close to Tampa, there's a hybrid car dealer there that will sell you a brand new battery for that price. Or sell you a non refurbished newer battery from gen3 cars for around $2000 or less
     
    m.wynn likes this.
  14. Tillo

    Tillo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    7
    0
    0
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    III
    I'll look into the Tampa option. Told my buddy I wasn't happy with his "Hybrid " guy and that his solution was a refurb. He said he was trying to keep things on the cheaper end for me. Said it is covered for 3 yrs 45k miles if any issues. but from what I've read on here on other posts , refurbs aren't a very good solution. Slowly coming to the reality its time for a new car.
     
    #14 Tillo, Aug 4, 2017
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 4, 2017
  15. johnnyb588

    johnnyb588 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2014
    193
    73
    0
    Location:
    Tempe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    I
    What are your alternatives for purchase? And what do you expect for the sale of your vehicle? My guess is that buying another vehicle won't make as much sense financially as you are currently assuming. Hopefully you find a good deal somewhere though.
     
  16. sub3marathonman

    sub3marathonman Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    557
    75
    0
    I've got a 2005 Prius here in Bartow that has the dying battery, and so far it has lasted over two months. It unfortunately sat for about six weeks without being driven, and for that old battery I think that was the cause of it failing. It has the Triangle, and the fan runs all the time, and it goes from discharged to charged within 30 seconds, and it will go into the slow mode but it is still going. I'm at least trying to get into September or October when it will be cooler, and I'm still trying to figure out the different replacement options.

    Also, isn't $1200 a bit much for the "pump & valve issues?" I'm assuming it is the inverter coolant pump, which is yes a bit expensive and then you've also got to change the special coolant, but I've installed several, all the Prius I've put them in are still running, and if Tillo is close he can come by and pay me a bit to install his. I've never heard of the "Water Control Valve," or of it going bad, but I haven't been reading on the forum lately.

    We have not even considered getting rid of the 2005 Prius, it still has under 100K miles and should be good for 400K more.
     
  17. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,470
    8,383
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Maybe you can try and ask Toyota for a goodwill warranty? Your car is very low mileages
     
  18. Scott56

    Scott56 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2017
    40
    27
    1
    Location:
    Alabama
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    With gas prices expected to skyrocket, I'd look for hybrid shops near there and have them quote you what it is to repair. If you mpg is till in the mid to upper 40s you still may have life left on that battery still unless you have been hearing the battery fan on a lot and the engine running most of the time. It should give you enough time to either save up for a battery by delaying or have those cells replaced by a professional hybrid shop. It's a gamble! I'd be hesitant shelling out that much at once unless you are a high roller. If you could convince your dealership to give you at least 1500 credit, you could have a 5500 dollar car, and it's debatable a prius that age and mileage matches that value.
     
  19. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,470
    8,383
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    News from 2008......